Bloodwinter Clan

anyone else into the game play and the montly fee (um free) because unless WoW knocks my socks off i'm definately gunna play this.

Donno, give me a url and il talk to the swedes

www.guildwars.com

they should be having an open beta for everyone the last weekend of october

Looks interesting.

With all the new MMO's on the horizon I think DAOC is in trouble

What I like about Guildwars is it is something new and fresh. All these MMOs are the same damn thing. IMO mix DAOC and EQ and slap it in a Worldcraft world and you get WoW. I'm done with the grind..... unless the grind is either FUN (hah) or for something down the road thats exciting and new. WoW is gunna be one of those games thats fun for the first 20 levels then its back to the fucking grind. Screw that. If Guild Wars lives up to its promise of grind free persistent content and challenging pvp battles.... its gunna be the best thing since sliced bread.

Key thing with WoW is exploration for quests (get them all) and teaming with people at the right time to complete red ones. Past level 20 I don't know how complete questing is to prevent mob camping but so far it is way less grind than I've exprienced in previous MMO's.

I'm giving Blizzard my cash first. Looks like us gamers are in the driver seat this fall with all the new titles coming out so vote for less grind with your cash is all I say.

There is no way you will EVER get continuous added content without having to pay monthy fees unless you are having to buy multiple expansions. Companies don't work for free, and their original sales are only going to hold them for so long. Besides, if you look at the developers for the game, it's a mix of ex-blizzard devs (the people that made wow, duh) and a mix of ex-lineage 2 devs (which has, by far, the shittiest world economy, leveling processes, and crappiest pvp system I have ever seen in a game personally).

Sorry, but I like the games I play to have content that isn't always going to cost me an arm and a leg. Also, remember games like Diablo 2 were free to play, but look at all the bullshit hacking that went on there. Item hacks and dupes were abundant, chain griefing of players was wretched, and in-game support was terrible as I recall. Don't expect anything better than the b.net bullshit you guys grew to love if you plan on playing Guildwars. It might be nice and fun at first, but I'm almost positive that a non p2p MMO will fail. Although, for those months you are utterly broke and your monthly subscription is needed for gas or food, it's something to do while you wait for that next paycheck.

Adida wrote:www.guildwars.com

they should be having an open beta for everyone the last weekend of october

From what I have gathered the only people that will be in that beta are those that have pre-ordered the game.

Well I dont think guildwars can really be considered an MMO. I'm not sure what you call it ... almost a new genre of game i would say. This isnt the type of game I expect to play for years like DAOC i think its one of those game Ill play for a few months and love every minute of it and move on. And yea hacking was a problem in b.net but hmm isnt hacking a problem in EVERY online game oh yea it is....

To compare Bnet hacking to hacking you've seen in any other MMO is almost insulting to the industry. I have never seen the extensive hacks for Daoc, which was full of them, that I did for Bnet.

I never saw hacks that would let me equip any items in the game I wanted without getting them. I never saw a hack that would get me unlimited gold, or make massive numbers of the same rare item over and over so I could sell them at will. Look at L2, how many people left just because of the bullshit duping issue that thrashed their economy because they just wouldn't fix it?

I looked at the game, the battle scenes that I watched looked utterly boring, melee characters used no styles in the full 9-12 second videos. I'm not saying the game will suck, but you will have to put up with much crappier conditions than you did in Daoc. You thought Daoc's customer service sucked? Wait until you aren't paying for customer service. You thought hacks were bad in Daoc? Wait until noone playing the game is paying anything to keep the devs looking for ways to stop hacks. You thought the content was boring in Daoc? Wait until the only REAL content additions you get are from expansions, oh wait, you did that with Daoc for the most part, and it sucked didn't it? And one last thing, it will be interesting to see how much the creators care about their "customers" because after you buy the game, you aren't paying them crap.

*just for the record, I'm not saying this game is going to absolutly suck, or that it won't be the next best thing in PvP gaming ever, but from looking at it, and just being totally logical about how free gaming is in general, I highly doubt it will be a new genre of gaming. Of course I'll admit I was wrong if the game comes out and shatters boundries and becomes the best thing ever. I guarentee it.

well the way they incorporate the "monthly fee" is you pay for content as you go. for example if you did that in daoc would you pay extra for the dog quest? or would you let it go and say fuck it. Or on the other hand if daoc just added like a cool quest or arti such as battler would you pay for the content of that? that's how they will do the pay to play thing. you pay for content rather than a monthly fee for a frigging dog quest.

You make a good point Sirion. But I hope you are wrong. I wouldnt call myself a Guild Wars fanboi... but I am eager to see if this game will succeed. Because online gaming really needs some fresh blood and not different versions of the same damn grind filled game.

Supreem wrote:You make a good point Sirion. But I hope you are wrong. I wouldnt call myself a Guild Wars fanboi... but I am eager to see if this game will succeed. Because online gaming really needs some fresh blood and not different versions of the same damn grind filled game.

Please sir, I'm not intending to flame you in any way whatsoever believe me, as I also hope that some sort of new generation fresh blooded game comes out in the near future. I'm not downing the game, or saying it will suck, I'm just trying to look at the game from an objective viewpoint, and I'm not positive that it will be what they say it will be. I honestly hope that I'm wrong too, anything to make gaming more fun, and less "grind" (although I use that term loosely) oriented, has my vote. But you also have to remember, if there is no grind, there is no way to weed out the players that just don't belong. If everyone in daoc could skip content and go straight to end game imagine how it would be to find competent level 50s. Anyways, I do hope some new game breaks ground and is crazy awesome for pvp, I don't know if this game is going to do that, but some of the ideas that they have may very well pave the road for it to happen.

I'll make a new forum soon. I should be receiving my alpha account very soon. I rally enjoyed the taste we had earlier this year but the game will need added content or it will turn into the shoots and ladders of MMO.

Adida wrote:well the way they incorporate the "monthly fee" is you pay for content as you go. for example if you did that in daoc would you pay extra for the dog quest? or would you let it go and say fuck it. Or on the other hand if daoc just added like a cool quest or arti such as battler would you pay for the content of that? that's how they will do the pay to play thing. you pay for content rather than a monthly fee for a frigging dog quest.

This seems like a stupid way to incorporate any kind of fee to me in all honesty. So if one month they add 50 quests and charge a dollar a quest, and you basically HAVE to do them for the rewards in order to compete with the rich people that don't have money problems, are you going to blow 50$ or are you going to say it's not worth it? And then the next month, when they add quests that work off of THOSE quests, are you going to pay for it, or are you going to suffer in pvp for it?

DAoC did not add alot of content to their game without the use of expansions, but if you had to pay for all the free crap they gave you (including new zones, quests, mobs, graphics, etc.) then you would have probably paid a crapload more than 12$ a month over time. Not to mention if they worked content like expansions into the game rather than releasing an actual expansion pack, you would pay ALOT more than 50$ for it. I know ToA was probably the crappiest expansion ever, but just look at all the crap you got from it, hundreds of new mobs/items, artifacts, zones, dungeons, master levels, graphics upgrades, customizable UI, stat cap upgrades, new stat types (casting speed %age and whatnot).

Of course, that crap was pretty trashy when it was released as far as bugged content goes, but do you honestly think that a game with no beta tests will ever get it done right the first time?

Once again, I'm not saying that this won't be the BEST GAME EVER, because it very well could be.I'm also not saying that either you or sup are "fanbois" because everyone has their own opinions about everything, and what you may think is awesome, I may not totally agree with. Don't take my posts as being flames, because they are not intended to be that way, but what you have to realize is when you pay games like DAoC monthly fees, you ARE paying for quests and additional content, but you are also paying for real server stability, real customer support (even though it WAS pretty crappy in DAoC), and people fighting to get rid of people that exploit and hack their game (although Mythic really should have put their foot down about this sooner and harder), not just additional content.