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Postby Elfdroper Gravelender » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:58 am

:toothy10: Hey all I'm in the market for a new machine, and I figure it's about time for a nice sleek laptop. Right now I'm looking at an alienware.

http://www.alienware.com/Configurator_P ... KU-DEFAULT

If anyone has any insight or some other options i'd appreciate it. :toothy10:
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Postby Supreem » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:56 am

Laptops make bad gaming machines. If you are using as a secondary computer thats fine, but if you plan to use it for daoc I suggest a desktop.
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Postby Elfdroper Gravelender » Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:53 pm

:toothy10: Stop fucking w/ my mojo damnit i want a laptop so i can play daoc while i roast chestnuts you warm weather loving hippy.

Seriously though why are laptops not as good? I'm about as computer savy as a monkey w/ dyslexia. :toothy10:
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Postby Supreem » Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:46 pm

Well unless you get a docking station for it, you will encounter the following:

1. the refresh rates are usually slower on laptop monitors. this means it will get kinda blurry or choppy when there is alot of fast movement

2. the keyboard on a laptop is compressed so you are missing some buttons and they are just plain harder to type on.

3. the built in mouse sucks, of course you can plug in a usb mouse but then its tough to find a place for the mouse if you are sitting on the couch.

4. the sound sucks compared to a nice set of desktop speakers. you could use external speakers but then whats the point of having a laptop.

Even without a docking station, mobile graphics cards have some major disadvantages over desktop cards.

1. They are less supported. Some games might not even support your card (ie gaurantee that it will work) I know mythic only supports a small collection of mobile graphics cards.

2. They are usually much less powerful. Graphics cards generate alot of heat. When you are using them in an extremely tight space such as inside a laptop, they have to tone down the power to make it generate less heat. If I play DAOC on my bed, the laptop will eventually overheat because the fans are being blocked by the blanket.


Anyways if you can deal with a less supported and less powerful graphics card, I suggest you invest in a mobile docking station for it. Basically its a box that sits on your desk that plugs into the laptop. From the docking station you can plug in a full size desktop monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers. With this you can still enjoy the full experience a desktop provides but with the ability to unplug it and play in front of the fire.
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Postby Supreem » Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:48 pm

Also take the docking station into account when you choose what laptop to buy. Some laptop manufactures have docking stations custom designed for their laptops and they will be much easier to use.
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Postby Augomatic » Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:34 pm

I have 2 desktops, and a brand new Dell laptop from work.

The laptop has a decent vid card in it, and it looks alright. It has 1 gig of ram, and the rest of the specs are impressive as well.

You don't really need a docking station, I just plug my monitor, and keyboard (mouse is connected to the keyboard) in, takes all of 5 seconds, and the docking stations for Dell are expensive.

For gaming, its not bad with a regular monitor plugged in. I've used it a bit for games when I'm on the road, but its not terribly great. The biggest problem is heat, playing DAoC even, it will heat up to about 50000 C, then the CPU powersave kicks in slowing it down. On a few occasions, I've even had it shutdown from the heat.

So basically you get a PC that will run games, but not nearly as well as a desktop, and the desktop would still be half the price.
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Postby barbos » Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:24 pm

Laptops are slower, as they are built for low power consumption (battery life). The harddrives are usually quite a bit slower, and more prone to going out by design.

Your cost for getting one that is good for gaming will be quite high, and it will become useless even faster. Statistically, you will have more problems with a laptop than a desktop, for obvious reasons. Repairs are much more costly, and not every place will work on laptops.

Unless you really need the portability, I would advise against it.

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Postby killets » Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:28 pm

i have a gaming laptop.

it's a compal cl56, that i had voodoopc customize for me. i would have just bought it directly, except i really wanted a metallic red paint job on it. i bought it almost 2 years ago (march 2004 as a birthday present for myself). i love it.

it is a 1.7ghz Pentium M, 1gb ram, 60gb 7200rpm hd, dvd-rw, 15" screen, mobile ati radeon 9700 w/ 128mb ram, 5.4lbs. even for an almost 2 year old computer, it can still play all the most recent games really well. (ok i haven't tried F.E.A.R. yet just because i'm not really a hardcore gamer anymore). this computer goes with me whenever i'm travelling between LA and San Diego, and when I have to fly out to NY. It was really helpful when I was playing DAoC and WoW incessantly. Now it's just my portal web browser and occasional Warcraft 3: TFT/DoTA and WH40K:DoW machine (although some people are trying to get me back into WoW). I beat FarCry and Doom 3 on this machine. No, I didn't use a touchpad, I bring a USB optical mouse with me. The sound is pretty good, but I usually use a set of Etymotic Research ER4Ps that I keep my laptop bag (also great for plane trips with the 20-25db reduction). The frame rates are good too. I can basically play DAoC and WoW at full resolution (1400x1050) with all the goodies turned on. Doom I had to reduce the goodies slightly and I played at 1024x768. Far Cry I could play at full speed at 1024x768.

What are my conclusions after having spent so much time with this laptop. Well, they're PERFECTLY VIABLE GAMING SOLUTIONS!!!! Here are some points worth considering though:

1) You need a USB mouse. Don't worry about mouse pad space on the couch or anything. You get a good logitech optical mouse, and it works fine on the couch, on the floor, whatever. might be hard to get headshots everytime in CS, but if it was that important to you, you'd put the laptop on the table.

2) They can get toasty. When you're playing a game, the graphics card and CPU are running full blast. It can get toasty. Put it on a table, since your lap will really really warm. (don't worry, it doesn't overheat unless you bought a shitty laptop from a no-namecompany).

3) Supreem is kinda right.. on some really soft beds or beds with a really thick pillowtop or something, you probably don't want to game on it, since the laptop will sink down a little bit and the air vents will become obstructed. Not ideal for stability to block the air to your computer.

4) The screensize and performance is fine. You're sitting closer to a laptop than a normal computer usually, so the 15" screens on most laptops are more than enough. Performance, again, when I bought my laptop 2 years ago, it was playing all the newest games at pretty much full speed at high resolution. Now that it's 2 years old, it still plays most games pretty damn well, and I'm getting that it might even perform better than some of the computers you guys are gaming on.

5) Umm... my laptop doesn't slow down when I game :) Strange that yours does. It'll slow down when I unplug it from the wall, just because Windows automatically starts conserving more power when you do that, but you can just turn that off, and it'll be back full speed.

6) Battery life... gaming while not plugged in doesn't work too well. With everything going full speed, your battery life is gonna be like 25-33% of what it would normally last surfing the web and shit. My laptop usually lasts a decent 4-5 hours doing light stuff. When I game, it down to like 1 hour. When I put in a DVD, it lasts about almost 3 hours. Slightly less when I'm watching DIVX.

7) You don't need a docking station. Actually, I think they're gimmicky and wastes of money. Your laptop has all the f'ing ports you need. My laptop has 3 USB 2.0 ports, 2 line in 1 line out, wireless ethernet, wired ethernet, phone jack, pcmcia slot, parallel port, even a freaking ps/2 port, what the hell else do you need? a docking station adds umm.. maybe a couple db9 serial ports, then all the same ports that your laptop has on the back of it. whooopie.

8) At home, of course I prefer gaming on my desktop. Some of the reasons why: it is faster. it has a bigger screen. Bigger keyboard. I like my cordless mouse on it better. I have nicer speakers setup. At home it's a P4-2.8HT, 1gb ram, Radeon X800XT w/ 256mb ram on a 20" dell lcd (1st gen hehe.. i paid $1000 for it). my computer was 1/5th the price of my laptop :) (not counting the monitor of course). I paid like $2500 for mine total.

And that's really the bottom line these days. Gaming laptops are expensive. Prepare to pay for it if you want a good one :)

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Postby barbos » Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:20 pm

A real docking station is so you can plug all your stuff in (power/ethernet/mouse/keyboard/monitor) and leave it plugged in... when you want to take the laptop, you just undock it and go...

No plugging and unplugging things everytime. :bigups:

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Postby Elfdroper Gravelender » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:43 pm

:toothy10: Wow well thanks for the prompt knowledgeable responses. I think ya'll talked me out of a laptop...now I just have to decide one thing...if I get a desktop will I have to clean the monitor every time my monkey takes a shower>?

Please if anyone sees a good deal on a gaming desktop POST HERE! :toothy10:
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Postby Winke » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:03 pm

you were gonna buy a gaming laptop any desk top deal is good as an alternative.

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Postby Augomatic » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:08 pm

Three options for a gaming desktop:

1) Build it yourself, or get a friend to build it. This is the cheapest, but possibly the most frustrating option, and should only be done if you feel comfortable doing it. If you get a friend to do it, make SURE they know what they are talking about. Lots of times you'll find friends who sorta know, and want to learn more, so they use you as a guinea pig. Building a PC isn't generally hard, but for a gaming machine, getting the right pieces that all work well together sometimes requires a bit of research to make sure you don't spend $1000 on a machine only to be bottlenecked by a crappy motherboard or something.

2) Buy it from a recognized online dealer, like AlienWare. The most expensive option, but probably the least hassle.

3) Buy it from a local dealer. This is either the best or the worst option. You'll either get a good deal on a computer thats as good as the known brand ones, or you'll get a piece of junk that you pay too much for, and never really works.
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Postby barbos » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:45 pm

Elfdroper Gravelender wrote:if I get a desktop will I have to clean the monitor every time my monkey takes a shower>?


How would a laptop be any better? :biggrin:

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Postby Xarkon » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:56 am

Elfdroper Gravelender wrote:f I get a desktop will I have to clean the monitor every time my monkey takes a shower>?
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Postby Bulor » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:32 am

i have a gaming laptop aswell that i never use..

it's a AMD 3.2 ghz, 1 gig of ram, ati 9800 or 9700.. not sure, it's not near me right now) full keyboard and a 17 inch screen..

the thing is a beast.
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