Alliance RP Minimums

[Twystyd]

This has little to do with RP's really, hens the extremely modest RP totals we are throwing around. We are using RP's to gauge RvR activity and nothing more. We can care less if you make 300k a week or 10 million a week but we also want the alliance to be filled with like minded (not exact) guilds. This has nothing to do with who is better then who and please do not take this discussion as personal attacks.

think u need ask u self this, if a guild never or refuse to come to aid us in our battle Vs Alb and Hib u need take some action, don't make this all bout RP...

Legio Victrix anyone? SuperHelix is the GM of BWC now, but when I was helping call the shots I was probably the only GM on this server that would have booted their asses when they were putting up 2-3 million a week. We did that for the reason stated, they did not function with our alliance. It is really sad that you were their when this happen and you come after me for turning the alliance into an RP farming alliance.

BTW we love you Imihar .

[Crippler]

I agree some sort of cap should be put on guilds. This is a RvR alliance and if you weren't a RvR minded guild why did you join this alliance? You must realize some of those guilds are a dying breed and may get purged out sooner or later. Some seem to be taking Law's DISCUSSION as a personal attack on their guild which it isn't. He posted a poll and said discuss. So discuss w/out getting personal.

[Qrak]

Law, question I'm wondering is... whats the point of the min RP? when it comes down to it why do you what to do it? If its because there are guilds in the Alliance that you don't think are pulling there weight then I would let them know, and if they don't respond remove them. If this is not the case I don't really see the point of having a min RP. In BWC if your not active, IE you havn't been on in a while and ya turn black on the herald (and your not on vacation) you get removed. If a guild isn't showing up for events then remove them. But if a guild is active but do alts or lots of PvE and they are cool I see no reason to force them to reach some minimum number (10k, 5k or even 1k). Just seems like it would creat stress for people and could even force some really good people out of our alliance. Just some thoughts

Dekz

[Twystyd]

As stated above, one of the major reasons is to make sure the guilds in the alliance fit for our play style. BWC has always led alliances. Super had 11k members (something insane) in AC, Dred people came to us, here same deal. I am really not interested in booting guilds without understood, reasonable goals. I do not want to say, "hey bro your guild is not cutting it because they did not show up in force tonight" when I am not logged in 24hrs a day to check on overall frequency. This alliance is not only for planned events but is a reactionary to0l for us in the purpose of Midgard aggression and defense. Setting reasonable and obtainable goals is the only way to really treat guilds fairly without being logged in 24/7.

Dude, where have you been? We miss you

[Drale]

It's gonna be kinda hard for F to get 300k a week. There aren't that many of us left, and my main pk'er is in bwc now (Bruna). Im eventually going to get my rm to 50 (he's at 45 now) and i bet i can get 300k a week with him

[Twystyd]

The plan most people seem to be in favor of would ask for <f> to come up with 85-170k at 17 members. We would base it off of members not characters. I dot think we would institute this during the summer months because they are so slow.

[Psychotix]

I personaly think that somethings needs to be added .... the whole concept of teh BWC alliance was it was gonna be a spam free RVR alliance and when we made the choices of what guilds we wanted in the alliance they were very RvR oriented and we made them RvR with us before hand to make sure that they were gonna do so. Now things have died down and we got big guilds with 100+ members who can't even get the top 10 list with poeple poeple above 10k. To me this does not sound like an RvR alliance and something needs to be done.

Well thats my 2c.

[Bulor]

RvR allieance..

it's not likw Laws idea is some sort of neo daoc nazi'izum, it's basiclly like a push in the right direction for the allieance to stay focus on what we are about.

heck it's not just a RP count.. you can earn 1RP for a week, but aslong as the guild that earned that 1rp showed an active roll in RvR.. keep offence... claiming... defending... we do tend to notice who is there and who isn't.

i play 4 level 50s all the time... my RP basiclly sucks =) i avg 4 rr4 classes.. sure i'm not pulling in the big boy RP like some of the pure RvR'ers but i'm still adding to the effort. Weather it be with my bot buffing our troops at the gates.. or my lil warrior carrying 3fullrams.. or my pbae SM PWNING HOUSE!! in the lord room!! or my SB scouting around solo..

So there is more to RvR then just RP.. but putting a RP mini is a good way to get more troops in the field.

=)

[Thewhite]

HMMM

the next COULD be

for evry 10 member in a guild thr MUST be 1 LGM crafter ?!?

[Twystyd]

Sure, that makes sense in a RvR alliance ~

[Hodorn]

Law, you MUST concider theres still ppl who dont RvR that much, for instance, Thewhite, he enjoys pve more than rvr, but he still do rvr now and then =) or me whos crafting whore instead of rvr whore.. our guild still do pretty good in rvr though!...

[Joshll]

BWC doesn't have 100% RVR members. We have people that PVE much more than RVR, thats why we are talking about guild minimums and not individuals. If the majority of the members in a guild do some RVR every week, then doing 5-10k per member is incredibly easy to attain. And if the majority of the guild is not doing RVR, why would that guild even want to be in our alliance?

Look - the point is not to meet some magic number of RP's. Whatever number we come up is a very artificial measurement of the real thing we are trying to enforce, and thats we want to surround ourselves with like minded people who like to RVR - offense and defense.

Nolaex says she doesn't do mad RP's, that's fine, I and other people always see her out defending. Always. I often see Bums in alb, and Gil, and Hodorn. Our goal is not to kick out a guild of people that is RVRing, and fighting with us, our goal is to identify which guilds on the whole are not RVRing.

And if the guild is largely not RVRing, what is the point in being in our alliance? It's not to hang out with the cool people in the red and white cloaks, thats silly. People join our alliance because of a common interest in RVR. If you are into PVE, there are certainly other alliances that are more plugged into that sort of thing.

[Twystyd]

Thank you Josh. I was struggling getting my point across today ~

[Hodorn]

well i got nothing aganist minimums, just as long as it isnt individual based

[Thewhite]

my point Law

I do RvR now and then , AND I NEVER refuse to come out when mids are needed in our Home or in Alb. BUT I WILL NOT start doing EMAINIAC just to fullfill at rule. Then Id rather start taking orders on MPs.

Im at the opinion that rules like the suggested wont do anything good to this allience just agony.

Thnk about this
a guild hasnt made the 10k/member!!! bye allience?
Ultimatums have never done any good anywhr but sure if thats what the majority in this allience wants I will bow my head and THINK what a pity.

Johssl
Tó identify Guilds that not are RvRing with u I suggest another method than making rules that will force emainism ( a sickness for RP whores) might just look around U see what guilds are present and wich are not. U done that already regarding SOME MDoM
Then give them a visit on their boards (if they have any) and ask them to show themselves. Still not working remove them.