Sunder MC raid

[Twystyd]

Killets owns, miss having him around :/

I have to agree and have never really played with him.

[slythetove]

no way. seriously, you prove nothing by attempting to do this without those tools. it's just to feed your ego.

I'm not sure if you will ever understand where I'm coming from on this. It's not about proving / ego. It's about fun and playing a video game.

For some people using these type of UI crutches takes the fun out of playing the game.

There are literally enough UI mods that as a priest you could basically reactively auto target / auto heal / auto cure / auto everything for the whole raid.

You may find that fun, but I'm just trying to tell you that some people don't. I also understand that for some people the "fun" is just completing MC no matter what they have to install / use to do it. For others the fun is playing the game.

I don't pay a monthly fee to have a script play my game for me.

Just trying to present an alternate view point.

[barbos]

I must agree with Sly... you might as well be considered a bot if you have programs do all the shit for you.

[Liseyth]

Just a note, after hearing that the leader of Sunder (a priest) allowed priests to roll on Hand of Edward the Odd (45 DPS mace with Chance on Hit of next spell being instant within 4 seconds) and one of them winning, I refuse to run a raid of that magnitude with them.

Not only is that the best Shaman end game weapon in the game by far (Fang of the Mystics is pretty nice and that Emperyean thing are good but the proc on the Hand is just insane), it is utterly worthless to a priest that doesn't hit anything.

This just disturbed me to no end and I wasn't even there. I feel for the 5 Shamans that were on that raid.

[Rhuac]

Hah, that's really really funny.

[Jedus]

this guild called "nurfed" does it without raid bar all the time killets.

[sansa]

Well, the leader was pretty cool - - Flirted with me the enitre raid LMAO



<3 Mex

[Abysmal]

Jedus, guilds like nurfed and conquest are all professional level players also. They have one guy tank the boss, and he doesnt ever lose the aggro

[killets]

umm... i guess you could do it without raidassist _IF_ :


1) ~20 people, especially all priests, druids, shamans and mages were in all in voice chat together... or preferably, everyone in voice chat together.
2) the people were disciplined enough to not only never spam any chat channel or spam vent with talk except during vital raid moments.
3) have played with each other so long, and are probably skilled enough that even if half the raid goes down, they could still recover easily.


That doesn't sound like Bloodwinter Clan though. Actually, it doesn't sound like any guild >10 people I've ever been in.

As for "cheating" by using scripts which allow you to see everyone's health, it's no more cheating than using anything but the default UI. By cheating, I mean making the game too easy. And to be honest, everytime a cool feature is done in a UI, it makes its way into the default UI eventually. Self-cast, Second Bar, Side-bar, are all clear examples of this. It just took since early beta to now for Blizzard to put in second bar. That's blizzard's reaction time and stance on tools like this. Given that pretty much every 60 I know uses RaidAssist, and that it's only been around for 3 months (not 2 years like second bar has been), there's a pretty good shot it'll be integrated into the default UI in the next 2 years.

As for it not being "fun" by using scripts which allow you to see everyone's health, buff and debuff status, as opposed to playing blind to everyone's health so that you can only see 1 person at a time, you are right.. I will never be able to empathize with you. My fun comes from accomplishing things in game... like killing bosses in molten core, getting items, killing people, etc. Healing stopped being interesting around level 2 when I realized that it's no different from any other game I've played. Click on person, hit the # button. I get zero enjoyment out of clicking 40 different people 10 times a minute each, just so that I can keep up with their health/debuff/buff status. When mobs start AE cursing and AE debuffing people with a 40 yard range (yes, double the range of our dispel :/ ). When some of the curses have countdown timers, sorry, I'd rather take hammers to my shins than have to do rapid fire clicking for 5 hours, and still see people die because I missed 3 out of 15 people because I couldn't see them.

Anyways, the decision is yours. I would not allow people without raid assist on any MC raids I'd lead. Not going to gamble on the raid with my own time.

[barbos]

yea, I'd hate for healers to have to do any work...

[killets]

lmao. cycling through 40 toons 5 times a second, is considered standard healer work?

it's akin to telling a warrior to keep aggro on 10 level 60 elites without nameplates on :/

[barbos]

Sounds like you don't have tha skillz

[killets]

back it up with how you guys have been able to get through MC without it, and I won't be able to say anything. As far as I know, I'm talking to this asinine group of people who think they're better players to not need to use blizzard-condoned UI enhancements, even though they wiped multiple times and haven't gotten past the entrance mobs in MC.

if kim wants to require people to install it, good for her. she's focused on the success of the raid. if people think they're too good to use it, then fine, go ahead and prove it on someone else's time. no need to wait for the inevitable fuck-ups by people who don't know what they're doing. if you can prove you can do it with raid assist, and you don't end up wiping on every single mob along the way, then why don't you talk about making the game more challenging for yourself.

as far as i can tell, despite all your claims about how others are noob for not being able to out of group heal 40 people like you can, i'm not the noob one here :/

[barbos]

I don't seem to have any problems without it.

If you want to use it, fine. I just have to disagree with the "requiring" of people to violate the terms of use.

C. You may not modify World of Warcraft to change game play, including, but not limited to, the creation of cheats and/or hacks, nor may you use any third-party software which is running at the same time as World of Warcraft that accesses files which are part of World of Warcraft, for any reason whatsoever. Additionally, you may not utilize any "packet sniffing" software, regardless of the operating system utilized by such software and regardless of whether or not such tools are running on the same computer as the World of Warcraft software or any computer connected to the World of Warcraft software or its network, or otherwise monitor World of Warcraft's network connection while you or anyone else is playing World of Warcraft.

[killets]

1) Have you guys even killed 1 MC boss yet? Is BWC supposed to be a decent gaming guild? Well, I consider that a problem.

2) it doesn't change gameplay, any more than adding any UI mod is changing game play. it doesn't heal for you. it doesn't automatically cast spells for you. it shows you people's health and their buffs. cosmos is much closer to "sketchy" in terms of what they include and offer the end-user, and yet, blizzard completely condones its use, and have employees publicly stating that they use it themselves. I have no doubt in my mind blizzard employees who play the game use CT_RaidAssist, and it is perfectly within the game rules to use it. If you think it is breaking the rules to use a blizzard condoned UI enhancement that is coded completely in blizzard-authored lua, i have some penis enlargement pills to offer you which are safe to use with crack!

3) i hope you die in a fire.