Classic Whos going where

[Sirion]

Fighting a true 3fg of zerglings (people that don't know each other and are just running in a pack) doesn't take skill. Half the time they only have a single healer in each group, if that, then half the groups consist of hybrids that can't get groups otherwise.

Now, killing 3fg of a guild group with enough healers to go around with a decent mix of tanks/hybrids may take skill and be challenging, yes. But I doubt that will happen if the guild group has even an inkling of what they are doing.


Edit: That being said, I do still have relatively no playtime in Hib, so I might make Hib alts on Gareth since the community will still be new and fresh there.

[Tingtong]

Your Daoc ideology is flawed sir

but instead of going on about it I would much rather let the game show you.

ty

[Sirion]

Well, I'm not trying to argue about it, so I'll leave it at this, but my ideology is not really flawed. I mean, you can certainly say it's flawed because yeah, in a head on head with 3fg where you don't win mez does take skill to win. However, it is ridiculously easy to kill people in DAoC with 5 dps classes and them having no heals. Most "true" zergs, especially small ones like 3fg ones, run low on healers, and high on casters and hybrids (classes that don't often get into gank groups). So basically you are killing people with no CC reduction, generally (by the typical 8man group) you radar'd them, so they didn't get to mez you, and by the time the mez is down half the casters/hybrids are dead, because we all know how long casters/hybrids last with a 5man assist train on them without heals. Hell, Winke on his Warrior and me on my Savage could kill a caster in a single port outside of a keep door in Alb. That's like two rounds of combat each, maybe three if he was close enough to the door for a shot to hit through it.

Now, a head on head to a 3fg zerg and not mezzing them all, yeah, that would be challenging, but radaring them down (and I'm not saying you will, but a typical gank groups do), CCing all of them (since they didn't see you, didn't spread out, and all just got owned by a single AE mez) isn't challenging, because they really don't have a chance in hell, especially on this server where they have no bots or extra buffs.

[Hall]

I rather have an even fight, then a slaughter and think that I am good (that happned on lance alot) would dump truck hordes of albs and mids. Most times it was just an open ended asswhipping.

I prefer a better fight overall its more fun. Like when we took on the top alb grp and beat them at rank 3 with no RA's or when we beat that mid guild and only lost 2 guys.

Challenge is more rewarding, to stand up and overcome and to fight and win, then to hide behind the "Perfect" setup.

Then again hope on VN everyone has there own idea of the "Perfect" setup and with every idea you got 5 people chiming in calling that person an idiot because he added X class when he shoulda added Y class Specced Z

In the end I give respect to people who go out and whip ass not those that sit and wait till perfect group logs in because they are afraid to try, because if they lose there E-Pee Pee will shrivel and die.

In the end its a game, putting DAOC RvR specialist on your Resume will get you looked at funny. Just like all the assclowns who take DAOC overly seriously becuase if they dont win they must yell, or cut themselves or beat there spouses or whatever it is teens and 20 somethings do when they get owned.

Lastly I cant wait to fight a perfect grp and beat them with albs the more obtuse the group the better, Why because I will know that that other grp is probably going to disband or pitch a fit because they got beat by albs.

In the end I feel "PLAYER Skill" is a better factor then class, sure there are many useless specs but a player who can takeh is negatives and turn them into a positive is a better player all together then mr Cookie cutter.

[Sirion]

Also, I'm not attacking the 8man style of play. I enjoy small scale PvP, it's all I did before I joined Myth, it was all I did when I played with <F>, and it was all I did with Resonance in WoW, so don't take it as me attacking you or your playstyle, because I prefer to be with a small group of people, rather than a 500 man zerging guild.

But I do recognize what does and does not take real skill. Ceregon and myself killing a group of 5 in Pennine when I was on my Savage didn't take skill. Why? Because they had no CC and their only healer was dead before the rest of them could move. It doesn't matter if you add in one more hybrid or caster, it wouldn't have made a difference, they all still would have died, because our classes in combination outclassed theirs, especially without heals.

[Tingtong]

1+1 = 2

[Sirion]

Yes, but being outnumberd five or six to two is still being outnumbered by roughly a 3:1 ratio. Add four more DPS classes and you are killing that much faster. Add 2 more healing classes and you are able to absorb/heal that much more damage without the chance of being interupted/stopped, plus with one of them being a Shaman you have permanent endurance. Outclassing a superior number of people, not through player skill, but through class complimentation, is not skill, it's just DAoC's game mechanics. And the typical zerg of people that are sticking together purely for safety, and not because they have some kind of in-game relationship, simply do not have the tools required to fight a group that supremely outclasses them. Unfortunantely, that's the only type of "zerg" that gank groups kill. Because people that play together and outnumber a gank group 3:1 don't lose. They are the people that gank groups go bitch about on VN. Why? Because even three or four healers can't outheal an assist train of the magnitude that exists within three full groups.

[Tingtong]

1+D+10+T = you?

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[Eirene]

Well have fun swinging your e-peens, I think I'm going to stay on Percimue for a while. I'm having way too much fun.

[Winke]

I am not saying that I want the easy way out. I am just tired of listening to Zerk A after a fight whine about htf did that druid do this, and htf did the BM kill him in 1 hit, etc. I also want to play something new and I havn't played Hib since Palo with D, Zoid, Chase, all the old old old pre BWC crew. Alb I played for 2 month's with Lubuu and Tav and while I had fun as an inf I hated Alb. Mid I loved but time for something new.

Winke

[Sirion]

I am not saying that I want the easy way out. I am just tired of listening to Zerk A after a fight whine about htf did that druid do this, and htf did the BM kill him in 1 hit, etc. I also want to play something new and I havn't played Hib since Palo with D, Zoid, Chase, all the old old old pre BWC crew. Alb I played for 2 month's with Lubuu and Tav and while I had fun as an inf I hated Alb. Mid I loved but time for something new.

Winke

Yeah, I very much prefer Hib over Alb myself as well, but as these servers play out and the populations begin to dwindle, which I'm sure they will, the Hibs are going to be the ones desparate for fights because they will have the massive population advantage. I'm not trying to spend a few months getting to know a community of people, level different toons, and template my characters, only to have the majority of my opposition disappear. Now, I don't think that this will happen like that exactly, but when the population on the new servers start to hurt because the people with level 50s in other realms decide they don't really want to start over, it's going to be the Hibs hurting the most to find fights, simply because of how many people are fotming to Vampiirs and Bainshees and Hib 8man tank groups on these servers.


Even still, I'll screw around with Hibs on Gareth since the BWC guys are mostly making Albs and Mids on Lamo, who knows, maybe we can all dick around with Hib alts on that server or something on the days we get bored on Lamorak ><

[Keabit Guinness]

Well have fun swinging your e-peens, I think I'm going to stay on Percimue for a while. I'm having way too much fun.

The changes haven't processed on the Herald yet, but I wanted to let you know that we have made some adjustments:




- Most of the clustered servers have been changed to reflect that no realm requires special help.

- The Percival/Nimue cluster's Hibernian realm has been tagged as overpopulated, and definitely does not need help.


It must be fun. It's non-stop pwnage.

[killets]

i see your schwartz is a big as mine... lets see how you handle it.

[Twystyd]

I am going to shamelessly use our cybor relationship to discuss a savage spec Killets. Let's face it, no one wrap their minds around game mechanics like you do. I also know I quit this game 3 months outside Andred and need a little help. Thank God your a successful asian and, enslaved to to the man.

I'll PM you (I offer the vids you never saw of Derek and D in Vegas)

[Ganedar]

I'll PM you (I offer the vids you never saw of Derek and D in Vegas

Are you talking about the vids where Dwayne claimed to have pussy juice on his Dockers? We all know what the REAL story was...Dwayne fudge packed Derek and when he pulled out, Derek splattered Dwayne's drawers!