Bloodwinter Clan

With new love? self dmg add, shield, dd, and range?

Discuss.

Almost afraid to comment on this...doubt they will do more dmg than a zerk but atleast these changes will make them more viable. Will this help the class be more useful to a grp? doubt that as well.

My gimp ship does come in w/ this patch as the only toons i play on mid/merlin are a skald and thane...I obviously love to hate myself






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Depends on if you go by straight melee of if you count spell damage as well... I think they will be good toons again..

Aalto, I want both of your chars in my group

Thanes may end up with more utility (nukes and interrupting), but a majority of their abilities, will not comphensate for the low weapon spec (50SC 42S 39W spec) and their hybrid ws/hp. Thanes are good for clubBWC events, but for open field, warriors are better (high ws/hp, deter, cheap IP/Purge, better defense).

Not all Thanes go that spec. with 44 weapon,, 42 shield 46 storm I think that thanes can be just as effective as a warrior.

thanes beat warriors before thane love.. thanes will be warriors mroe so after.


in a straight melee vrs melee.. thanes and warriros are 50%, but once you toss in the instants DDs and such... thanes take the win.

I disagree with that entirely. Warriors are much more solid than thanes when it comes to dealing and giving damage in CQB. Warriors vs Thanes is just like Heros and Champs. Without stag, champs will pwn heros as will thanes > warriors. However, this applies only to dueling. In real open field rvr, I'm very confident in saying warriors > thanes. Determination, cheap IP/Purge, thats alot more RA toys by the time you hit RR5 and RR6 rather than a thane which would take rr2L4 just for IP, 3L4 for IP and Purge.

Forsaking Thanes for warriors because of some cheap RA's in unfair. A toon is more than just the RA's they have. Thanes have more utility to offer. If a warrior runs out of endo, thanes cans still crank out some nice damage with their dd's. Skalds can do the same, but specable shield > skald defense anyday. Its not a question of who's better, is that who's viable in that type of situation. Warriors get more hp and higher weapon skill, and Thanes get DD's to offset that difference. I think that Thanes can be an asset to an 8man, so long as its not a dope behind the keyboard. Thats really what it comes down too.

who can stop a caster from casting?.. a thane or a warrior? Thane!

who can stop that mintrels from running off with hsi speed song... THANE!

who can actually do some good in large scale combat? THANES

who can actually win a 1on1 battle with a inf? oki niether.. but thanes can atleast hit the damn inf with magic!

LMAO!! Antigunn for win!

Who can stop a caster from casting?
mez, stun, root, amnesia, skald, savage(until they remove the interrupt)...

who can stop that minstrels from running off with hsi speed song...
A warrior going 2h sword + ragnarok + PF + other tanks assisting = lots of situations where you have minstrels running, namely cause they are the last ones alive. I don't mind if a minstrel runs away like that. Plus, thats what skald snare is for...

who can actually do some good in large scale combat?
By that same statement, we aught to run groups of cave shamans and BA BDs and 50 spec Dark or RC rms....

who can actually win a 1on1 battle with an inf?
Humm... go ask Donzi how he used to patrol upps solo and smack around stealthers...

Sorry man, but warriors are better than thanes in open field combat. Thanes may have the utility now that SC isn't as gimp, but in the end, its still a hybrid in midgard.

WOOHOO good discussion.

Aens is winning atm..Come on Thane power!

If you go around and read the boards on different servers to find out what the gank groups were running with 1.64 it was Savages and Warriors. Zerks were secondary, and thanes were out in the cold. Poor thanes. Skalds were along for their speed, but not because they could gank as well as the pure tanks.

I thought ATM that warriors were regarded as pretty good for gank groups. Cheap RA's, High offense/defense with the ability to slam. Determination 4 is the key if you talk to the high tanks. Sucks that Thanes and Skalds cannot have access to that RA.

doesn't really matter if thanes are better or not, everyone will keep whining that thanes are still gimped till they make thier melee dmg on par with a savage, their tanking on par with a warrior and their SC on par with a RM. Then everyone will roll thanes and they will be the FOTM. Then everyone will whine that they are overpowered and they will get nerfed back into the shadows. Just remember PHER THE TROLL ZERKER!!!