Alliance RP Minimums

[Twystyd]

Guys I am going to turn this over in hopes it can grow into constructive conversation. I honestly am not on the same page with most of the posts here. It is actually hard to believe we have been members of the same alliance. This may be the first time in over 10k posts on this forum I am at a loss because what I am hearing is completely ridiculous, unrelated and irrational -

1) No one ever said anything about each member has to make x RP's. The context throughout this thread has been guild membership based.

2) BWC has never treated an alliance guild unfairly. LV may argue but everyone else has been given a good home, planned events, the most active forum community we can make available, a market board even though BWC does not craft much, etc., (I can go on but will not).

What would convince you that we are going to start booting guilds on a frivolous whim all the sudden without notice? Do you guys even think before you react and type this shit? Damn fellas, I need a BWC officer to pick this up please...thanks.

[Thewhite]

Law :
This may be the first time in over 10k posts on this forum I am at a loss because what I am hearing is completely ridiculous, unrelated and irrational -

hmm thought u wanted a discusion about the matter. I agree on both ur points. but having my point that disagrees with the 10 K minimum rule being called ridiculous, unrelated and irrational makes me think that this might never have been the intentions to make a discussion.

Im sorry if I have made an impression of being unserious or off topic, BUT in my world and it might be wrong, discusions is about looking at konsekvenses and the suggestion might not have been intended to look like an ultimatum but and this old dude can just have misunderstood something.

I will pull out of this nondiscusion and will wait to see what happens.

[Imihar]

I would never arguee with you Law and neither would LV

we luuuuuuuuuuuuuub you guys,,,, its just that we are Rp horny as hell

[Gil DaTroll]

I voted 'NO'. I love RvR but don't care much about RP's. The RvR I like most is in keep taking and in Keep Defense. If I happen to get a few RP's while attacking or defending keeps that's iceing on the cake for me.

[Joshll]

I'm sorry MDoM doesn't like this proposal. And all I can say is that in my mind, whatever we implemented wouldn't have threatened MDoM's status regardless. We regularly see your members out there, we see Nolaex running out to defend, we see Hodorn hanging in Beno, we see Bums in the PK in alb. And you know, thats what really counts. Thats the bottom line right there. So regardless if you guys did 1k or 100k my opionion on your value in the alliance would be the same. Because we see you out there. We know you claim keeps regularly. We know you upgrade doors. We know you are there. Thats the bottom line above and beyond any measurements we put in.

<F> has very few active members since BWC and <F> guilds merged. I don't see their status in the alliance being threatened unless the alliance ever got full. Same with CQ. Midnight Fury somewhat.

But when I see guilds in the alliance that have 50+ members and only 4 of those members broke 5k rp's last 7 days, then I see a very inactive guild. BWC is not adding much value to them, and they are not adding much value to the alliance. So how do we point that out? How do we put something in place that says this is an RVR alliance? If I don't see them out there, if they are not out at the times I am, how can I tell if they are a good RVR fit for this alliance? Minimums can help point that out.

Our goal is not to make this into work. It's not a game if you are being forced to do something. Thats not what we are trying to do.

I want to repeat - this is not a test where if you score a certain amount of RP's you win. The RP minimums were to give people a goal, and to help identify which guilds are and are not a good fit.

[Majesticone]

Joshll has some good points in his post. I'm reading it to say that it's not any one specific aspect about RVR that the Alliance should be looking for, but several aspects in combination. Visibility is of course important as well as responding to calls to defend the homeland. Measuring a guild's participation by RP's alone will not give a true picture of what they truly give, but it should also be considered part of the whole picture.

Maybe what is needed is to come up with a list of RVR aspects that are important to show a guild is committed to supporting the Alliance and post them. While some guilds would excel in all the areas listed, other guilds could excel in say 2-3 areas and still be seen as contributing to the Alliance. If a guild were not meeting any of the RVR aspects on the list, then a message to the GM with a suggestion on how to improve would be in order. This would hopefully open up a constructive dialogue which would then put the guild back on track.

Having a list of RVR apsects that the Alliance looks at would only help guilds be more aware of what they can do to help out this Alliance. It would also help the leaders of the Alliance have something to measure guild participation against if they are concerned that a guild is not pulling it's weight. Just my two cents


Majesticone
50 Skald
Esprit De Corps

[Gil DaTroll]

Lots of good points in the last 2 posts by Josh & Majesticone. I would welcome a system that showed what the alliance values in RvR. RPs/Active Member could be one criteria if it wasn't the ONLY measure.

[Nolaex]

I agree that Joshll and Majesticone did make very good points. We all need to contribute to the alliance and especially to homeland defense. If RPs were the only criteria for keeping a guild in the alliance though MDoM might not make the cut. That was my objection from the beginning. I believe we as a guild do contribute quite a bit to the alliance, but as I stated in a previous post we have a number of inactive players and players under 50 that do not RvR at all. Those of us that do RvR prolly won't be able to make up for the ones that dont' / can't. MDoM is a guild based on friends...it always has been and hopefully always will be. We do not tell our members that they have to RvR, although when we participate in defense or alb keep taking we do ask members to join us. The other problem we have is the fact that most of our guild is european. Their hours of play differ from the normal hours of RvR. The only way some of them could get the RPs needed is to go to emain and many of us don't like emain. When there is defense needed during their times of play though you can see 1 to 2 fgs of MDoM out. When we have the numbers available we've also gone to albs on our own just to take an alb keep or 2 to open up DF for everyone else.
I hope those that are the ones deciding about the RP minimums read Joshll and Majesticone's posts and try to come up with better criteria for judging a guild's worth in the alliance.

[Twystyd]

I agree on both ur points. but having my point that disagrees with the 10 K minimum rule being called ridiculous, unrelated and irrational makes me think that this might never have been the intentions to make a discussion.

Cool man. BTW that was directed at the whole thread; not just you TheWhite. Yesterday I spent the whole day getting bitched at by my RL boss (I fucked up at work) and I was not at my best. I have no problems with any opinions, so bring them forth. I just felt I was explaining the same things 2-3 times and wanted to turn the topic over to someone that is communicating with everyone better.

[Bulor]

TheWhite, have you been reading all the post?

What law is basiclly trying to say.. is we need more guilds in our RvR allieance to be noticed.. just like what gil and nolax said... that sure they don't cash in 10000k rp , nor do they cash in like 1k RP.. but they are in the field.. we see them in the cg... we see them claiming keeps.. repairing doors... holding down MMGs... when we call to arms.. They are there... thats what this is about.

Even guilds like tingtong.. which was once just 1 person.. sure they might not have been overall RvR.. but they do come out, they do Own beno for like the past 3 days level10... they do make Rams for the allieance.. they are doing their part.. it may seem smalls.. but it's so much bigger in the big picture.

Guilds need GBP to claim and hold a keep at level 10.. you gain GBP by RvRing.. if we the BWC allieance needs a guild to claim a keep and they can't becuase they have no GBP.. whats the point of them in a RvRallieance?

We have around what, 8 guilds in our allieance? we should.. at the drop of a dime.. be able to call to arms.. have 2 rams per group, and take down a RK in under 20 mins.

Why aren't we at that level?

[Nolaex]

btw i do average more then 10k rps a week normally..but the guild as a whole does not

[Thewhite]

Law
Sorry bout that boss of yours Thought about getting rid of him?

Bulor.
hmm yes I ve read all the posts what about my comments didnt u catch?

Let me set one thing strait.
The only thing I dont like by the idea is that making rules about reaching RP caps just favors Emainiacs AND I know that this wasnt and have never been the purpose of this allience. I do agree to evrything else. Its only the RULE RP CAP part I dont agree with.
Today Glenlock was taken 10 min after they took 3-4 fg of mids took it back. When everyone just will drop what they are doing and come help defend our home or call up for Alb keep taking, just say one word in /as and I and most of MDoM will be thr. So it is and have allways been, but order us thr or making rules so we have to farm in Emain will bring no good.

[Hodorn]

nerf thewhites icon O.o makes mine look stupid, by far O_O

[Thewhite]

Son
I will let u in on a wellknown secret

URS LOOKS STUPID

[Wazzup]

You tell him G-man, and hodorn Go spam on our own forum, I made you a private forum for that purpose alone

About the RP MIN rule, im on the same page as my fellow officers (Gil Thewhite Nola etc.) Personally I only do homeland defence when i RvR, so there is no way i can or will make that amount of RP's. so basicly i think the idea of a RP min is silly.

Earlyer when we were in the Myth alliance we came up with the idea of an Alliance Council where every guild have 2 people to represent the guild. Why not try the same in BWC alliance. Then let the Council who ofcause will be of RvR minded persons Decide who gets invited for the alliance and who needs a spanking for not pulling their weight.

Nothing wrong with using some one elses idea...if its a good idea