BWC Gaming Style ?

[Wazzup]

Well this was the 2nd time this week I was in a group that gets dissolved by BWC's way of playing. Yesterday, A shammy and I started a group in Modernagrav, we invited a few BWC members, then more BWC members came along ....and when they were enough of BWC ...they ditched us. Simply left group and made a BWC group instead and left 3 poeple hanging to start all over.

The other time was on the ML 5 trip last weekend, told short, We had a group going, also with a few BWC members in it, Then the entire BWC guild showed up, and the those in group left us for the benefit of BWC, leaving 6 people hanging.

I have also heard stories where single Non BWC members gets kicked from BWC groups cause a BWC member comes along ?? (hope they are just rumors)

Now im wondering if thats what to be expected in the future when u invite BWC members to your group. Cause if thats the case, ill think 2wice about inviting a BWC member to any of my groups ever again.

I would very much like to hear Gundorf's and Celes oppinion, if this this is the attitude to be expected ??

[Hall]

Im sure there busy atm So ill Give you my take on the situation.
Because I for the most part along with Nat Aka "guy who botting gundorf"
Have been doing a majority of the BWC in modern stuff. Thats not to say theres others who arent with us, but when you see "Abysmal" and "Gundorf" in Modern its us.


Anyhow Ill try to explain, We have been gaming for an extemly long time, likewise so pretty much id say maybe 50% maybe 45% of current BWC has gamed with each other for the better part of 2 years. As such we have learned to "stick together"
on the food chain it works as such RL friend > Guildy > Allaince
Well as far as Me and Nat it does anyway. Thats how it is and thats how its going to be we look out for "Family" 1st.

Bottomline amist the chaos i guess we should put disclaimers, but trying to bot 2 chars while getting pages of tells does take its toll. Furthermore I cannot atest to anything ML or RvR related where the rule is alot less stringent. Im sure the ml thing was a mistake.

In closing if you have any hate towards BWC or EGO you can direct it to me

DZK & Biggieb

And thats the bottomline cuz I just said so.

[Twystyd]

Wazzup it's very simple and exactly like Hall put it. Guild first forever. What would be the point of having a guild if you do not look out for each other. BWC can field teams to accomplish anything in game on it's own and will continue to. GL ~

[Majesticone]

Oh my gosh, I've never encountered that attitude in BWC before Law. I can assure if I had, I would not be part of this alliance. This seems to be a very drastic change in my opinion from what I have seen previously. Many people in my guild have encountered that attitude with TDA and we refuse to group with them. I truly hope this doesn't become the case with BWC. If BWC plans to operate in this manner, they need to put it in their code of ethics for the alliance, not let it be some kind of unspoken rule that no one but BWC knows. I would like to hear from Celestrial and Gundorf on this please.

Maj

[Twystyd]

As far as I know most guilds are guild>alliance>others Maj. It's nothing personal but has been our style for as long as I remember. As far as not grouping with anyone else, I am not quite sure where you got that out of my post. This does not mean we need to be rude to others but if we are not looking out for BWC members what use would we be to each other?

[Farfar]

Sad to say it, but i have always and prob will always put guildis before others, i have done it both in rvr and pve. We are a guild, in a alliance, in a realm, I exp with the guild, then the alliance, and if so, the rest of the realm.

[Majesticone]

So, let me ask this...does BWC support the following:

1. BWC members leaving a group to join other BWC members when they know it will mean the other group will be unable to continue?

and

2. BWC members booting non-BWC members in favor of their guildies

I've had both of these things happen to me in TDA groups, and it infuriates myself and my guildies. It has never happened to me with BWC until the last 3 weeks. It is a disturbing trend.

Maj

[Twystyd]

Maj I will let the people still in DAoC answer this as I really do not know how the guild is ran at this time. In my opinion (please remember I have nothing but respect for our alliance friends) a guild MUST put it's members first. Comparing us to TDA is a complete joke and I do not understand where that is coming from. We keep our alliance small and tight and try to supply everything we can to help other guilds succeed (realm leadership, active forums etc.). BWC runs the best alliance in Midgard hands down. Feel free to ask around about the other alliances if we are not supporting your needs Maj. We have no guilt about how our allies are treated.

Wazz again I am sorry this happend bro but it's a tough spot to be in. It really is hard to tell someone in guild chat they can not join because we do not have space. That leaves them alienated by their own guild. GL and we still love our friends at MDoM.

[Psychotix]

If you never see this i'm not trying to be rude but where the hell have you been? everywhere i have played guin, lance, merlin it has always been like this .... we as BWC have ALWAYS put members first just as other guilds have always done so towards me and many others. If we didnt put guildies first what would be the point of the guild at all? might as well just disband our tags and run in random groups all day long cause without our groups that we have its pretty much that.

As far as you want a response from gundorf on this .... first off i have been in many of his groups that have disbanded other members from alliance and non alliance because within our guild we come first and thats that

I personaly see no possible change of this in the future period and if it did i would leave BWC for that reason.

[Eirene]

Here is the story...

We have a lot of members coming back to Mid Merlin. Many sold their previous characters and releveling new level 50s. A lot re-leveling in Modernagrav, since its latest place to get character experience.

I think there are differences in communication. BWC has been leveling in Modernagrav for the past several days. Since the influx of guild members coming back to DAoC and Mid Merlin, we try to help each other as a team in leveling. Most of the players coming back I have played with for about 2 years now. They are good people. In no disrespect to you, Wazzup, they thought the other guildmates (low levels) could benefit more since they don't have level 50s. I wish in this case that they have spoken to you beforehand that they planned to do a single guild group so there was no confusion.

Regarding Master Level 5, I believe I was quite clear and apologized for the incident. (I was called an elitist bitch. oh well...) We had scheduled a ML5.10 (only) raid for 10 members at a specific time for 2 days. I had a talk with the guild members in question about leaving groups to benefit for their own ML step. I told them it will not be tolerated and I will remove them from the guild. (Similar incident happened with Veturi) We need to work together as a realm to get the Master Levels done. I don't want one incident hinder future progress.

BWC is a fairly large guild now than a few months ago. We do a lot of guild only groups in rvr and squeeze in alliance members as best as we can. We've always done that. I do believe we need to reach out and help our alliance members as well as our guild members. However at times we're in different time zones so its hard to coordinate raids and rvr together. If you have raids in plans, you can message me in game and I can place it in the alliance message of the day.

[Wazzup]

Well i can only say were aparently not on the same page.

I also have IRL guildie Friends, 3 of them who plays frequently in Modernagrav. None of us would EVER kick a guy from group or disolve it just to get friends in. Beeing this a game played by REAL People, guildie or not guildie, I would expect nothing less of my self than treat others like you would like to be treated ya self.

IMO Guilds are made so people have a chance to find grps yes, or plan raids, RvR... But Planing is the key word ... IF BWC had planed to ditch us ...i would have like to be told in advance .....but it sure as hell didnt look planed to me.

Like i said ....since it aparently seems to be nature for alot the BWC members ....ill think 2wice before inviting one of you again ....not that ya not good players ....bu I cant rely on you sticking around.

[Farfar]

So, if you have 7 guildys and 1 non guildy in a group, and you have an other guildy (prob same class as the non guildy) loging on and asking for group, you would diss him? and keep on lvling/rvr w/o him?

I would do the same thing in reallife. we are a guild for a reason, and its not to have the same tag.

[Mcjackal]

Farfar if ya had 7guildies and 1 non guildie, and a Guildie comes on, if ya diss the non guildie how would ya think, the person would think about BWC.. well if it where me i would avoid bwc...

i know that bwc always makes Guild grps in RvR, but i cant believe that a guild would dump Alliance members esp. not AS leader guild, then why be in an alliance? to my knowledge an alliance is built to help each both in rvr and PVE!.. if an alliance cant work together in pve how the biiip is it supposed to work together in RvR?

I think its sad that this sorta thing happens esp after knowing that MDoM is always there for ppl that needs help, and i know that ive personnally has helped ALOT of bwc members on epic's and so on because other half of bwc where doing "other" things and/or didnt have the time to help with a guildies epic. ( this is from when i played dunno how it is now)


But hey if ya wanna ruin it for others by just making ur own XP/raids etc. fine by me... but ya should look at it this way... perhaps next time ya wont get an invitation because those making xp grps or Raids will have in there backhead, that BWC = leavers = failed raid / xp grp = start over with getting more ppl

[Hall]

then why have guild mates? is that so hard to fathom?
Like i said before ill take responsiblity maybe i should have put a disclaimer, But i will be most certainly damned, if a Friend who needs xp is not going to get it, for the most part from now on ill let people know that hey man a guildie is here we have to take him. They dont like it tough, just the way it is.

For furture reference if you want to deny Xp, Loot, etc
The name is
Dzk
Biggieb

[Farfar]

Mcjackal, i will allways put guildys befor other people, i wont leave guildys behind couse i have a non guildy in the group, if else why would we have guilds?

i have been kicked from LV groups, TDA groups, Myth groups and other groups, just becouse they had a guildy that needed the spot, its fine by me, couse i would do the same thing.

But dont say we leave people behind un raids, couse we dont, we have guild groups yes, and alliance groups, and that doesnt mean we "leave" people.

Bottom line is that people will and have allways thought like this, it wont chance, a guild is a guild, a alliance is a alliance, and a realm is a realm. its the same thing in irl.

// Farfar