BWC Gaming Style ?

[Majesticone]

I agree that guildies come first and Esprit always helps their guildies out when possible. However, it has never been and never will be our policy to kick a non-guildie out if a guildie needs a spot. Our guildies understand that they will be given the next available spot in the group, or, we will form 2 groups instead of 1.

Now, in the case of me being the only non-guildie in a group. If I'm told in advance that they will have to kick me for a guildie, I will either say ok no problem, or will say I'll find another group. Knowing in advance is much different than suddenly finding yourself out of a group, or people from another guild suddenly leaving you and others high and dry. That is wrong no matter how you look at it. Prior notice is the only solution. Celest has said she has asked that BWC guildies give prior notice, and I would like to see how that works. However, please understand that it will make a group leader think twice about grouping someone that says they will leave if guildies arrive.


Maj

[Joshll]

Majesticone, Wazzup and others... You have been around us for a while. You have seen how we normally operate. Please don't assume that because of 2 incidents that the guilds whole policy has changed.

This has gotten way blown out of proportion. I do not want it to be a public policy that we just casually blow off group members that are not BWC. I do not agree with that. If BWC does this, we will find ourselves alone. And while we are a great guild and can probably accomplish great things without help from anyone else, I just don't think pissing off the entire realm is in our interests too. That does not make the guild stronger.

Guild comes first when forming groups. But speaking for myself, once I group someone it's going to be extremely rare for me to boot them once it's no longer convenient to have them - especially if it is an alliance member. It's different if you say something up front maybe. Thats just me, I guess I see the value in having a functional alliance more than some of these other chumps.

Again, I'd say almost all of the alliance has been with us for a year or more. You know what we are like. Our rules and policies have not changed.

[Majesticone]

Thank you Joshll......hugs....




Maj

[Wazzup]

BWC can field teams to accomplish anything in game on it's own and will continue to. GL ~

Why have an alliance Law and the rest of yall ?

And thx Josh .....finaly some one making sence

Cyall in game

[killets]

law don't play much in game anymore. and farfar and hall both suck.. they need to play on lancelot.

back on topic, while I don't frequent mid merlin as much anymore, i am still an officer for the core group and will give you my 2 cents.

As far as I know, there is no standard guild policy on how to react in certain situations, when it comes to prioritizing group members. It seems premature to say, "oh, if this is how BWC acts, I will condemn the rest of the guild". When it comes to issues like this, its really up to the individual guild member who makes the decision. As you can see from contrasting opinions from different officers and GMs, we won't take sides on any action they decide to take in regards to this.

some members will drop everything for guildmembers, some will simply put in their 15 min warning, some will just simply say "wait" to the guild member. you should react based on the individuals involved... in this case biggieb and gang. if you can't accept the fact that they would ditch group members whether alliance or not for RL friends, then I wouldn't recommend grouping with these specific people in Modernagrav. not all BWC will kick non-guildies though.. we are a big family and its beyond the scope of acting as 1 body in unison.

you note that this is a recent thing, and it might just be the old BWC returning to mid/merlin who you don't find particularly dependable for XP groups. we don't have a problem if you choose not to invite these specific members to YOUR xp raids because of their history with you, but it would be jumping the gun to say that this is some new guild attitude

good luck to you all out there.

[Twystyd]

Why have an alliance Law and the rest of yall ?

It is safe to say the alliance would be ran completely different if I was still GMing Wuzz. I believe you are wrong here but will accept your opinions as your own. Kims post made the most sense to me, from what I can decipher through this thread. If your going to boot give a heads up initially when someone groups with you. Can BWC do things on their own yes. Can BWCA do things on their own yes. Lance is for GiMpS, come play where the gamers are Killets ~

[Menagery]

Although our presence has been minimal of late (we haev been grouping with BWC on mordred) Our guild policy is on both servers guild first. We would always inform those non guildies in our group if we get a guildie who needs a spot he may be booted. That way they know ahead of time. We would only boot if it wasnt a necessary class or guildie was tthe same class. No one in our groups has ever complained. They almost always 99% of the time understand guildies first. Its like an unspoken law in any guild. I've done it to others and have had it dopne to me. I am always thankful for th etime adn RP's i do get adn usually can find another pick up group if needed.

[SuperHelix]

bottom line: Guild > Alliance > Others

If I form a raid or a event, I always invite alliance, ALWAYS.

Start a bg or cg.

If I run a 8 man group and need someone, I ask guild, then alliance.

If someone outside of the guild is in the group, and I know that we will fill a certain group member in that group, I tell that person, they are welcome to stay, or leave, up to them. But I always am honest, I just don't dump them.

If there is a problem with PVE raids or encounters, let me freaking know via PM or a post, and I will boot people after investigation immediately, no ?'s asked. I don't run PVE anymore.

-my 2p, always been like that forever..

[Farfar]

mdom, i hope you are happy with your choice.

but...

Im a swede, so dont mind me.

[Joshll]

I'll also add:

This is a frickin game. It's supposed to be an escape. I realize that some people want to manufacture drama, but I really could do without it.

[Ormeld]

what josh said.

[testicon]

I guess in the 2+ years that i have played i have never heard of a guild ever doing this except for in RvR. Not that i really care what you do. you do have to help your friends, but at the same time you shouldn't be alienating others in your alliance. just cause they aren't in your guild doesn't mean that they aren't friends or folks you RvR with on a regular or semi-regular basis.

But if that's what you do..well nothing i can do about it. everytime i group with a BWC member i haven't run into this problem

[Alustat]

Divinity faces this issue as we often run less then a FG of our members. We often have more members signing on later then others, and if we are all ready running a FG with non-guildies, we find our selves asking them to leave for our members. I do my best to make sure everyone handles a delicate situation like this correctly. Booting people or dissolving an entire group and leaving 3 people left alone is no fun. But I know even we are guilty of it sometimes. I'm working to have this handled better, for the benefit of everyone we play with.

When it comes to Alliance members, we've been very strong to treat them as well as our guild members. Our last Alliance was a private one between us and DeNieD. We would often run 2fg+ of half-and-half members. We would fill out each others missing classes with our own, and always welcomed them into our groups, and vice-versa.

I do hold my guildmates very close. We've become a very close family quickly. We use Ventrilo to communicate, and often find that there is little or no group chat what so ever. This makes it very difficult for non-guildies. I am aware of the difficulty it presents to them, and when we are running with non-guildmates, I try to make sure they are receiving all the info they need to work with us.

My .2c

[Majesticone]

Thank you Alustat, I appreciate your information. I was unfortunately one of the two people left alone last night when your guild reformed the group. Thank you for being so responsive about this, I appreciate it.


Maj
GM, Esprit de Corps

[Alustat]

Yes that was the discussion, and I apologize on behalf of them. I hope you will get to know that we are a good group of players, but we are small and eager to be able to roll FGs of our own. As I said, I've brought the discussion to our forum and will work towards a better solution.