Sven

[Shammu]

Im posting this here because in my opinion it affects the entire guild. (At least as of tonight it does)

Sven,

I understand that you don't like me. Hell, you probably even hate me, and that's fine. that's your right. I can understand when you refuse to group with me on raids/for xp, because groups can be made without us being together. I have no bad feelings towards you, I dont dislike you, I think you can be a downright funny guy when you arent being insulting. I have no problem grouping with you, or being civil towards you, as long as the respect is mutual.

Tonight when Agroed invited me into the group you were in, he was doing it out of necessity, and nothing more. When 130 Albs were attacking the PK and getting control of the relic, and every Mid was running to defend, I just jumped into the first group that needed a shaman. I had no idea you were in that group, and even if I had known I still would have joined, because I can look past anyhting thats been done or said in the past, as long as its helping the group/guild. You leaving the group in the middle of relic defense didnt hurt me, or screw me, it screwed the 6 other people in that group that were depending on you.

This BS has gone on long enough. If you really hate me THAT much, I don't know what to say. I haven't said 2 words to you since I was told to not speak to you anymore. I love everyone in BWC, and I'm having a great time playing here with everyone. I think it's really sad that the way you feel towards me has to bring down so many people. If it will take an apology to make this all go away, I apologize for whatever it was I did or said to upset you so much. Like I said, I have no bad feelings towards you, as long as there can be mutual respect.

I guess that's about it. I hope my speaking my mind about this doesn't get me booted from the guild, but it needed to be said, and I know it couldnt have been said online/in game.

Peace

[Hall]

/hug

[Beratuul]

Shammu,

Bleh, I'm glad you complimented me in the begining of that little essay, always the way to compel the reader, but the fact is I don't hate you or anyone, but I do not respect you or your husband based on many past experiences. The way you conducted yourself in CoE in Exp groups dissrespected a lot of people if you want to talk about hurting the guild/groups. I don't need to bring up the facts of you leaving to solo, then complaining how no one exps with you. That was the start of the dislike, and the fact that you and your husband make no attempt to even be nice to my friends in the guild is another; Bychu with Valynor during the GS raid is a great example. People bust their balls for eachother in RvR and PvE. The game bases its merrit on fun, and I do not find fun getting into personal pissing contests with you and your husband, or to be blunt, hanging around you.

When I left that group, I didn't hurt it as much as I helped the one I was invited to. They actually needed me more. Although in theory you are right, I believe in the notion of friends over guild/realm. A lot of people will disagree with me, but to me, friend's loyalty is something that cannot be bought or acquired from nothing but exactly that in return and the actions one takes. You have not done anything to warrant my respect or loyalty in return.

Yes, I am childish, I am immature, I insult people, but I do so with good intentions, unless my friends are affected, then I just become the person you think I am.

I think honnesty is the best policy, and I do not think we can get along, call it a clash of personalities, but the best thing for us to do is simply ignore eachother. I hate online politics, I save that for Dwayne who conveys them for me, or tries to unless I get out of line and speak my mind which seems to be a major fault of mine.

If you have a problem with me not grouping/talking with you because of these reasons please take it up with Dwayne/Gundorf, and I am sure something can be worked out.


If he finds it best that I move on, I will. Dwayne unlike me, takes priority in the guild over his side friendships, so do not let that intimidate you from speaking your honest opinion of me to him. If you're trying to give me the pep talk to take one for the team, I won't. I'm sorry, I feel as I do and nothing can change that. C'est la vie.

I'm sure you're a great person in your own right; therefore, it might be my loss to never get to know you, but its just a game and everyone is here to just have fun.


Its 2:30 am, and I really don't know what else I can say. I hope that answers some of your questions.

[Winke]

Sve get in MA CROTCH lad!!!

Shamm I love shamman of all kind, specialy ones that make an effort at buffing the tank

[Bychu Bychu]

Bychu with Valynor during the GS raid is a great example. People bust their balls for eachother in RvR and PvE. The game bases its merrit on fun, and I do not find fun getting into personal pissing contests with you and your husband, or to be blunt, hanging around you.

Yes, I am childish, I am immature, I insult people, but I do so with good intentions, unless my friends are affected, then I just become the person you think I am.
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As a clearification, the comment around Valynor was a joke. I am sorry you didn't get it. But, I just ask for the same as what you do yourself. I come to play here and have fun, not to insult people. Other than that, you have described yourself better than I could.

As a closing note, I am a team player and in the end will do what is best for the team/guild.

Have a nice day.

[Beratuul]

Bychu, your post is exactly why myself and so many people dislike you. You have this arrogance about you that cannot be described, and you clearly do not deserve to have it. You treat yourself as if you are a someone or somebody whose opinion is valid and should be respected. Its not.

Valynor never insulted you, or participates in any of that. Your comment was out of the blue and uncalled for. And, then you think you can turn that around and say it was just in fun? I atleast challenge you to grow some balls for once. No one one "got" your comment. We insult our friends, sorry, but you will never be considered part of the family or inner circle.

It is your presence which gives Shammu a worse representation and reputation, you love to come in with cowardly pot shots then hide. You have been nothing but trouble since the day you arrived. You have brought absolutly zero to the table in terms of contribution to the guild, and yet proclaim to be a team player. I find this ironic comming from you.

Have a peachy keen day.

[Elfdroper Gravelender]

Sven learn how to accept an apology even though it seems you should be the one giving it. And btw you sound a lot more arrogant than Bychu even though i dont know either of you and...wait thats it WTF do i care...nm

[Ozinag]

All i'd ask out of the two of you, is to just resolve your problems. you don't have to like eachother, but you must be able to tollerate eachother within the guild. Being in a guild doesn't mean that they all have to be your best friends by any stretch of the imagination. Having said this, if there are those that seem to be mortal enemies, which seems to be the case here, the guild is jeopardized and the problem could potentially spread with people picking sides.

Both of you suck it up and just let bygones be bygones for the good of the community please

[Beratuul]

Elf: You have no idea on the past experiences which occured, and don't seem to understand the issue at hand. I owe an apology for what? ignoring someone? helping powerlevel them, and choosing not to anymore? Until you even get a grasp of the situation, I don't need a lecture.

I helped level Mel on two servers.. I don't want to deal with them anymore. I've had them on ignore for about a month, it never seemed to hurt the guild then. I've talked to Gundorf about this, he is fine with it.

I don't see why this is a big issue at hand. You act as if Shammu and I play an important role in this guild. I am sure it can work fine with this as it has for the past month.

Oz: tell me, if you spent countless weeks in Malm trying to help people level and they thank you by causing countless problems which result in their leaving of the guild, then rinse and repeat, could you really respect them and play alongside them?

[Twystyd]

I need a cookie

[barbos]

but instead of bitching and moaning... how about resolving the issue?


The only true way of solving anything

[Elfdroper Gravelender]

Blah blah blah noone cares.

[Internalwarrior]

i think wat we all need is a group hug

and if ur still not at rest, duel! thats wat its there for, to show other people how much they suck!

[Shammu]

I think it is obvious that Shammu and I are open to and seeking a cordial solution of this mess.