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Should we go?

Fuck em...nuke the desert scum
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48%
Please no war...hug a tree
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33%
I can care less but the oil prices need to drop
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20%
 
Total votes: 40

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Postby Bychu Bychu » Mon Feb 24, 2003 1:37 pm

Not my regular reading but here is a link.

Resolution 1441 requires all states to disclose all information they have how Iraq violates Resolution 1441, a resolution the US authored.

"Powell failed to produce any definite proof that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. He played two tapes from intercepted alleged phone calls between a brigadier general and a colonel in President Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard and showed satellite photographs, but did not offer a “smoking gun”. He also asked the Security Council to take him at his word that Iraq is a threat, saying that the US has more information but “I cannot tell you everything that we know.”

See above what constitutes a violation of 1441 ;) There are sinners of varying degrees, but you know what Napoleon said in Animal Farm...

http://dc.indymedia.org/archive/feature ... 03-02.html

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Postby Rru » Tue Feb 25, 2003 11:42 pm

well... i guess we can just sit back and wait for him to nuke the shit out of some country or use some sort of biological weapon against someone... i guess maybe then we could do something... but then everyone will just say that we (the U.S.) MADE him do this... or some crap...

We are the U.S. .... we are damned if we do..... and even more damned if we don't....

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Postby Bychu Bychu » Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:05 pm

Especially since the US was the main supplier of biological warfare technology to Iraq - but that was in the 1980s under Reagan and Iraq was fighting with Iran...

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Postby Elfdroper Gravelender » Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:09 pm

:mrgreen: This whole thing about goin to wat is BS. Since the gulf we have been bombing Iraq almost consistently, they just can't do shit about it. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be doing it but cmon anyone who says we have given them a chance is full of it.....I still dont know how to vote:p :mrgreen:
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Postby Kungfubar » Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:44 pm

Rru wrote:well... i guess we can just sit back and wait for him to nuke the shit out of some country or use some sort of biological weapon against someone... i guess maybe then we could do something... but then everyone will just say that we (the U.S.) MADE him do this... or some crap...

We are the U.S. .... we are damned if we do..... and even more damned if we don't....


What makes you think he will use those weapons if he has them? He is not stupid, he is trying to avoid war with the U.S. like the plague. He knows what happened the first time, what on earth makes you think he wants to start it again?

If anything, he will use them only IF we attack. He launched SCUD missles at Israel only during the first gulf war because he thought he was going to be booted out of power.

If we push him into a corner, who knows what he will do. Right now he has not done anything that deserves military action since the first conflcit. Has he threatened the U.S. with some "jihad"? Has he threatened anyone? Take a good long look at North Korea and tell me why the same 'rules' we are putting on Saddam dont aply to them?

We know for fact North Korea has nukes. So what, right? He has threatened us with his "Any sanctions put on North Korea will be treated as an act of war."

Going ahead with this war will start a downhill spiral resulting in everyone on the planet invading their hated neighbor because "he could possibly might be a threat sometime down the road."

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Postby Rru » Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:23 pm

ok... so last night during Saddams interview he said that Iraq was not defeated in the '91. They volunterilly withdrew for Kuw. because the "world" decided that they should. WFT? I immediatley thought of Mike Jackson up there saying... "i didn't have any surgery done"

He has not threatened the U.S.? He trained members of Alqueda or however you spell that. That's enough for me. Or did we already forget what they did in NY and DC? He was ordered by the U.N. to follow certain regulations as far as biological and long range capabilities. He has not followed the rules. Now he must be punished. Not by the U.S. , but by the U.N. they decided... now they must punish.

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Postby Rru » Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:25 pm

P.S. i don't want to live in a world that lets lunatics run around because we are afraid of what they will do.

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Postby Aalto Stormcaller » Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:17 pm

Actually, The U.N. has YET to decide. Tho it seems the BUSH administration is hell bent on a war regardless. Ask any country who won a war and they'll reply "we did." In fact, ask a few americans who won the veitnam,m war and they will answer as such. Fact of the matter-noone WINS wars, we all loose one way or another,especially pointless wars like this one. If you honestley believe this is a war on terrorism then i have bridges to sell you. Prove he trained Al-Queda, so far has yet to be proven. In fact Prove there exists an Asama-Bin Ladden. You honestly think the American people will believe some dark allah praising middle eastern underworld uprising hates and wants to kill all americans? NO, but put a Face on it, give it a name and we hate it... enter Asama and his Al-qeuda. And nw to North Korea...Do they have nukes? nukes? NO the do have nuclear capacity, they have no fucking power and they have a nuclear power plant. Doubtful that Kofi Anan? can come out of a forest in N Korea with a god damned missle if he tried but the fear is that N Korea COULD, COULD being the operative here, with the plutonium produced by the power plant---------somewhere down the line-------create a missle.
Exactly the kind of "hello we Americans might not like they way you people live SOME day ,so where just gonna sanction you into submission under the guise of a war on terrorism now k thx." be afraid of what your neighbor might someday be capable of bullshit we've all become used to.

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Postby Bychu Bychu » Fri Feb 28, 2003 7:39 am

Osama Bin-Laden and Saddam Hussein are as nice and cozy with each other as Minister Farakhan and Jerry Falwell...

The US government has claimed that there is a link, but has not yet shown any proof. I'd consider it highly unlikely that the two are allied, but you know six degrees of separation...

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Postby Twystyd » Fri Feb 28, 2003 10:14 am

One of the reasons "claimed" for the lack of proof is the endangerment of informents within the region.
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Postby Bychu Bychu » Fri Feb 28, 2003 1:53 pm

Everyone can claim... and there have been many cases where claims have proven to be wrong. I am an old believer in President Reagan's words: Trust, but verify.

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Postby slawpy » Thu Mar 06, 2003 9:58 am

Being a canadian and thus morally and socially superior to many :P I tend to have controversial views on the subject. I think the largest problem I have with this situation with both Hussein and Binladdy is that the U.S. trained them and brought them to power. Hussein was a warlord funded and trained by the u.s. government to take over iraq so that the u.s. COULD have a complacent dictator to trade with since the previous government was less than neighbourly. Binladdy was trained by the CIA to route the russians out of afghanistan in the 80's. Obviously u.s. involvement in these area's has come back to haunt them in more ways than one. The world is teetering on the brink of destruction and I am playing daoc!
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Postby Aalto Stormcaller » Thu Mar 06, 2003 7:31 pm

Heya slawpy, I see your in Windsor. A few of us are in Detroit and we tend to like your casinos from time to time, our money goes further over there:) Vegas rust city style! More to the point, I could be way wrong but, from what you,ve posted there I think your actually speaking of Gen. Massoud. Who with a terribly small army and extraodinary tactic did defeat the Russian army. He was assassinated about a year ago by quite possibly the Taliban or Al-queda. He was gaining considerable support in the region as well as an army capable of overthrowing the taliban rule. He was infact trained and outfitted by U.S. forces for exactly what you stated above. He had a very long and trusted relationship with the C.I.A as well. I don't believe Al-queda or Bin-Ladden had any contact with the U.S. government before the Attacks of sept 11 occurred. in fact from all I've read they were largely written off as a mostly harmless faction of the Taliban Government. Not so ironically Gen.Massoud was murdered by three suicide bombers posing as journalists (they had a bomb inside a video camera) on sept 9 2001. But again I could by way wrong

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Postby slawpy » Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:50 pm

I think I was watching the autobiography of Binladdy on some american news channel, that's where I got my info. It was so long ago that I may have misconstrued some facts but I'm pretty sure I'm right. If you're heading out to the casino give me a holler, I'm ass broke but I could go for some free virgin daquiri's lol
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Postby Twystyd » Fri Mar 07, 2003 4:28 pm

I wish the fucking UN had at least as much focus on the big picture as you guys. The limpdick organization once formed to responsibly monitor and react to world issues has become little more then a media center for drama and entertainment. This side show has made me sick; almost as sick as the blatant ignorance of "the world’s top UN officials." Saddam has somehow shifted the focus of the UN away from Iraq compliance to a morale conflict written on a unanimous resolution.

Great responses fells and good to see everyones opinion. That’s part of what this is all about
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