NO MID KEEPS FOR J00

[Joshll]

LOL Bera, dwayne left long ago. And we'll miss him. But Dwayne was not BWC. Plenty of us had huge success without him. I love super, and have a blast gaming with him, but he is not BWC. Maybe for you, but for me it was others too.

And to say the guild has fallen apart is wrong. Most of the old school merlin that were Herra's before it was a dime a dozen are still together and having fun on Alb lamorak.

You can diss BWC, you can call it a PVE guild, you can claim we have no leadership, but what we do have is friendship. And there are plenty of people running in our crew I will follow into a fight and know we'll do well. Tonight us albs farmed some dumbass hibs for hours at Scathaig, and it was like the old days all over again. But you probably don't remember those well, but you weren't there on merlin with us long. You didn't build the bond we did.

So, dismiss your own shit dude. Because we're still having fun on Alb, and we're still friends. And we'll probably play other games together. Isn't that what a clan all about?

And if you don't give a shit about your guildies, and they are nothing more than a convenience, no problem for me. But if this is such a piece of shit, why are you here? Go away. But quit ripping those of us that feel a kinship under the umbrella of BWC.

edit: And my friends in this guild are not just the alb folk, but the guys I spent alot of time gaming with and having fun: Winke, Fresh, Rhuac, Rexfelis, Rhiandra, Ting, and lots of others.

[Twystyd]

Well said Joshll.

[Seventhorn]

I totally agree Josh

Wow Rexfelis name i havent heard in a while that was one hell of an archer

[Beratuul]

I ain't ripping anything. I am being honest. And, if Dwayne isn't everything, look at WoW. The guild turned on itself and became a joke. Honnestly, and the albs came here and have bitched and bitched about everything and everyone.

As much as an asshole I may be, I am the most neutral with the most diverse cliques in this guild. I am talking about people that were around long before you came to the guild. I know you have done a great deal of good for this guild, Josh, and I respect you for it. But, I have seen a lot of ups and downs. And, really, if I didn't give a shit, ask Hall about me not trying to get everyone back together and get everyone to play the same realm.


But because I lay the cards on the table, doesn't mean I'm folding.

[Sirion]

BWC on WoW folded and failed because of Super's recruitment policy. Plain and simple. He recruited a fuckton of people noone knew, then merged an ENTIRE GUILD with BWC, without getting anyone else's point of view on the matter, then he left the game, and Hall and Kim were left to deal with the shit storm that followed. It's just like Josh said, I enjoyed playing with D on Merlin, but it was the decisions he made in a game he didn't want to play in the first place that killed the guild in that game.You yourself said you didn't play WoW, so you are talking about issues have merely read about on a message board anyways, without any real knowledge concerning them.

And the Albs haven't been coming here and been bitching about everything and everyone. The people that picked Alb have been joked on and slammed by you guys since day one. After weeks of people just downright disrespecting us as players, people, and a guild, it's our fault that on a single thread we stand up for ourselfs? You guys have been acting as though, because we picked Alb, we all of a sudden suck or something, and have been talking shit ever since, but now we it's our fault because we've been bitching? Yeah, whatever dude.

[Tingtong]

You choose the opposite side on the same server as us before it even came out. I Even sent hall a PM asking him to go Gareth and never got a response back. You say you wanted to play with "Friends" and didn't care how it would affect us as a guild. That's not leadership.

You say you roll as BWC and that we stole the name yet before the server's came out we made a decision that one would roll The Bloodwinter Clan, and one would be Bloodwinter Clan. You roll The Holy Rollers. GG

I don't roll out a guild to play with RL friends that I have been gaming for years with. I roll as a guild to promote the name to make it the best that it can be and to meet new friends along the way. To me your 4 people who broke off a good guild to do their own thing. Do I disrespect you as players or people? Hell no. You made BWC what it was. Do I disrespect your decisions not to play as ONE guild cause you think your better then us. Absolutly.

[Eirene]

Ting you don't exactly represent the views and ideas of others in the gaming clan.

That's all I'm going to say.

[Augomatic]

Reasons people are playing Alb instead of Mid:

1) Tired of mid, done that for 3 years
2) Saw that alb would be underpopulated and wanted the most targets.
3) Saw alb as a challenge with the difficult group setups.

Notice that none of those reasons are "we thought we were better than you".

Reasons Alb rolled on Lamorak and not Gareth

1) From polls, it looked like it would be the highest population classic server, and it is.
2) Many people from Mid-merlin were going there in some way or another from other guilds, still much more fun to run into people you know, either as albs, or other realms then be on Gareth where we didn't know anyone at all.

Reasons why Alb choose Holy Rollers as a guild name.

1) Wanted a fresh start, so we didn't get asked questions all the time.
2) Were aiming for a more relaxed "fun" guild, so a more relaxed "fun" name was picked.

Notice that none of those reasons have anything to do with the mid contingiant.

I really don't see what the problem is. Both the mid and alb sides both seem to have a fair number of active people, and everyone gets to be where they want. What would REALLY "rip the guild apart" would be if some of us had rolled either alb or mid despite not wanting to and quit after a week. Levelling to 50 again was somewhat uninteresting as it was with all new camps to go to and explore, and I know I personally might not have made it doing it as a mid class again.

[Hall]

I am pretty sure I responded with something like "Lets see where the polls go so we can see where everyone is going

You already made up your mind to go Lamo and at the time I was willing to do either or.

So i guess its stubborness on both our parts

/shrug

[Menagery]

How about everyone plays on the realm they choose. Have a good time and do what we came here to do Make Our Guild Proud. I personally think no one should even post about who killed who or what. And I really really really hate hearing about who is the zerg atm or who is the FOTM. DOES IT REALLY MATTER ENOUGH TO POST IT HERE?????????? If your guild plays well you do the best job you can and your havin fun who cares what everyone else is doing. You all post like your jealous of someone else or you need to justify your existance on your server.

Seriously if no one ever posted about this in the first place none of this would of been said. So unless we want to congratualte someone or talk about DAOC in general wouldn't it be wise to keep the rest unsaid? I mean we did make separate DAOC forums for alband mid for that reason???

BTW old school new school or preschool???? Who the f cares. If you were/are bwc you are bwc. Since when does when you join or how long you been a member make you mroe bwc then someone else? If that really matters to most of you then give TITLES and access based on who is a better bwc than others. Cause from what it sounds you classify us based on when we played with you and thats the only thing you conribute to this guild.

New or Old we are all BWC.

Rip on me whatever you want to do but all I can say is I always had the most respect for people in this guild and I am slowly loosing that with the words you say and the petty stufff you bring up here.

So I will start us off

GRATZ TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE REACHED 50 AND MADE OUR ENTIRE GUIDL PROUD BY SHOWING WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE SET OUR MINDS TO EVEN WITHOUT THE /LEVEL AND NO MONEY. That in itself is an accompishment when you are used to having everything and forced to play with nothing.

And trust me Hall, Ting is probably just as stubborn as you cause you both want to play hard and be the best. If you didn't you wouldn't be as good of players as you are both are now.

[Sirion]

You choose the opposite side on the same server as us before it even came out. I Even sent hall a PM asking him to go Gareth and never got a response back. You say you wanted to play with "Friends" and didn't care how it would affect us as a guild. That's not leadership.

You say you roll as BWC and that we stole the name yet before the server's came out we made a decision that one would roll The Bloodwinter Clan, and one would be Bloodwinter Clan. You roll The Holy Rollers. GG

I don't roll out a guild to play with RL friends that I have been gaming for years with. I roll as a guild to promote the name to make it the best that it can be and to meet new friends along the way. To me your 4 people who broke off a good guild to do their own thing. Do I disrespect you as players or people? Hell no. You made BWC what it was. Do I disrespect your decisions not to play as ONE guild cause you think your better then us. Absolutly.

Well, to be perfectly honest with you, it was never my intention to play on Lamorak opposite of Bloodwinter Clan in the first place. The thing about the whole, "Do I disrecpet your decisions to not play as ONE guild," is, the majority of the people from this forum went to Alb. Not Mid. You have less active members than we do, you yourself have what, six accounts? Throw Affrix in there, who wasn't suppose to be in BWC at all anyways (not that I personally mind, you can run your particular guild however you see fit), then toss in your personal friends that joined just for this server, and the 5 or 6 recruits you have gotten from the recruitment boards alone, and it's very clear where the majority of the guild went, and who actually "broke off, because they think they are better than us."

There are maybe two recruits in our guild that were not in Bloodwinter Clan on Merlin. Then there are two friends of Xark's that were not in Bloodwinter Clan on Merlin. The entire rest of our guild is BWC; Core Members, Oldschoolers, and Merlinites.

Now then, here's the tricky part, if you really don't disrespect us as players and people, then how about showing it by talking a lot less shit, and just playing the game. The whole reason people picked different sides in the first place was to have fun; but to come to a board that's suppose to belong to a guild of friends, and have people flaming us, talking shit to us, posting negative comments about us, and just downright disrespecting us, is not fun, it's just plain fucking retarded.

[Joshll]

The realm situation merely evolved in a disorganized fashon. But the irony is the majority of the people now playing under the BWC tag are new people that most of the old school doesn't know. Meanwhile, the bulk of the old school is playing on Albion under a different name because BWC was taken.

Thats not to assess blame, or to say anything is wrong, but that I think explains some of the resentment from the old group of friends that stayed together and played alb.

Anyway, this isn't VN, and I should have just shut up long ago. You all are a great group of people and we've had some damn good times. I'll also add that while we've been crusty crabby gripers, Ting has been a class act on everything he's said. /salute ting

[Eirene]

Personally if we are on not on the same realm or server then I believe we should not be using the clan name period. We're too indifferent atm.

We have a lot of people in different realms and no cohesive ideas etc. We have 1 set of people doing this and another set of people doing that. It would be better to not have the GUILD/CLAN name used at all. BWC on Mid Lamo doesn't represent me. Nor does it represent those on Mid Gareth, Hib Lamo or Alb Lamo. BWC was BWC in WOW. BWC is BWC on Merlin. BWC on Mid Lamo...well it doesn't represent 80% of the clan. Maybe Law, Barbos and officers should decide if we want "namesakes" like this in other games.

[Beratuul]

BWC on WoW folded and failed because of Super's recruitment policy. Plain and simple. He recruited a fuckton of people noone knew, then merged an ENTIRE GUILD with BWC, without getting anyone else's point of view on the matter, then he left the game, and Hall and Kim were left to deal with the shit storm that followed. It's just like Josh said, I enjoyed playing with D on Merlin, but it was the decisions he made in a game he didn't want to play in the first place that killed the guild in that game.You yourself said you didn't play WoW, so you are talking about issues have merely read about on a message board anyways, without any real knowledge concerning them.

And the Albs haven't been coming here and been bitching about everything and everyone. The people that picked Alb have been joked on and slammed by you guys since day one. After weeks of people just downright disrespecting us as players, people, and a guild, it's our fault that on a single thread we stand up for ourselfs? You guys have been acting as though, because we picked Alb, we all of a sudden suck or something, and have been talking shit ever since, but now we it's our fault because we've been bitching? Yeah, whatever dude.

I was around enough to know Celest and Hall had enough part in the downfall as D. And, really Sirion, you rolled as another guild, and are claiming you're BWC? thats exactly the people BWC does not need. And Celest, you've made more quality people leave this guild with your attitude than anyone. Your point of view isn't exactly what everyone sees as well. And, Sirion, other way around, you are basing your information on heresay and a message board, not me. Hall and Celest knew exactly what was going on as it has been discussed for awhile on the officer board, was it not?


And, Alb folks have been bitching since day 1. You threw a fit because you wanted us to be The Bloodwinter CLan or something, and Hall wanted Winterclan Reloaded. I've told you on this thread you suck. So, why the endless bitterness before that? You got your panties in a bunch over Affrix. Then so called easy mode. Then what?

And, why can't we have Affrix? Dwayne let him in in WoW. He is a friend of ours. Who says we can't have him? Celest? Hall? I never knew those two were BWC.


Sirion: You started half this shit storm. And, all I want to know is who the fuck you are? If you want what you say, why not apologize for being an asshat?

[Beratuul]

Eiriene: I would have been happy to have rolled under another name, but you guys said we'd roll under the BWC name in variations. You guys took the Holy Rollers without us knowing.



I shouldn't have called you those names Sirion, and I apologize for that. But I stand by my judgements and observations about the guild. If we do decide to play as a guild in the next game, we need to do some cleaning up, and some major adjustments. And, figure out a new so called playing GM besides Law. New Officers etc. Because the current ones are not cutting it.