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Postby Rhiandra Rangnar » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:19 am

Wow. And to think I originally posted this as I found it to be funny. However, now that this thread has turned into a political lashing I suppose I should toss in my two cents as well.


I did not vote for Bush [either times], I do not agree with how he is allowing things to be run and no one will be able to change my mind on that.

As far as Michael Moore goes, if he wants to impress me and really make a difference; he could surrender 100% of the profits from "Bowling for Columbine" to the effected families.

He could also take 100% of his Fahrenheit 911 profits and do the same.

I watched Bowling for Columbine and was not impressed. Against my better judgement I watched Fahrenheit 911 and in all honesty found it to be just a collection of propaganda.

The only effect Fahrenheit 911 had on me was that I walked away thinking this: If just 1% of those accusations were correct, it was too many. Was this what he intended viewers to get from the documentary? No clue.

As far as Cindy Sheehan is concerned I think this woman is truly doing nothing but disgracing her son by her actions. He joined the service, he was not drafted. He wanted to serve his country as best as possible in whatever way he could [she said this herself], sadly it ended in his death. I just dont see what she expects to accomplish with her actions of late. Surely she does not hold the loss of her own son at a greater loss then the 1000+ other families who have lost loved ones during this time of war.

Cindy Sheehan is just another person that the likes of Michael Moore will feed off of.

I dont doubt for a second that Michael Moore is already gathering "evidence" for his next project "Katrina".

What troubles me the most about how the aftermath of Katrina was handled was that it wasnt handled. Bush alone is not 100% at fault for this, but he does have fault that he cannot evade. He openly berated those in office in Louisianna making claim that our government cannot step in UNTIL the state "asks for help".

I literally felt ill after hearing this.

However, when state oppointed officials try to handle a mass destruction like this on their own, for whatever the reason; you really cant point the finger of blame solely on the Presidents actions, or lack of them.

When I heard Mayor Nagin literally crying on the air and begging for help I can honestly tell you that I cant remember when I weeped so hard. My heart ached for these people, as it continues to do today. But through my tears and sorror I find myself asking questions: Why didnt he [Nagin] call for the evacuation himself?

I also ask myself why didnt the able bodied men and women held up at the dome go out on rescue missions themselves. I cant even imagine just sitting still if I was healthy enough to get up and help my neighbors, friends and family. Have we become a nation that is dependant on the help of others moreso than helping ourselves?



I found this and found it interesting, perhaps you will as well.



Mayor Nagin: Gov. Blanco Delayed Rescue

After days of blaming the federal officials for not responding quickly enough to the Hurricane Katrina crisis, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin praised President Bush on Monday - and charged that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco had delayed federal rescue efforts by 24-hours.

"I'm so happy that the president came down here," Nagin said of Bush's Friday visit to Louisiana in an interview with CNN. "He came down and saw it, and he put a general on the field. His name is General Honore. And when he hit the field, we started to see action." But Nagin had harsh words for his state's leaders, telling CNN: "What the state was doing, I don't frigging know. But I tell you, I am pissed. It wasn't adequate."

The New Orleans Democrat said he urged Bush to meet privately with Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco during the visit. The meeting took place aboard Air Force One, he said.

After reviewing the crisis with Gov. Blanco, Bush summoned Nagin for a private chat - where, according to Nagin, Bush explained: "Mr. Mayor, I offered two options to the governor. I said . . . I was ready to move today. The governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision."

Reacting to the governor's footdragging, Nagin lamented: "It would have been great if we could of left Air Force One, walked outside, and told the world that we had this all worked out."

"It didn't happen, and more people died."

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You may also find this interesting as well.

Louisiana Officials Could Lose the Katrina Blame Game
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
September 07, 2005

(CNSNews.com) - The Bush administration is being widely criticized for the emergency response to Hurricane Katrina and the allegedly inadequate protection for "the big one" that residents had long feared would hit New Orleans. But research into more than ten years of reporting on hurricane and flood damage mitigation efforts in and around New Orleans indicates that local and state officials did not use federal money that was available for levee improvements or coastal reinforcement and often did not secure local matching funds that would have generated even more federal funding.

In December of 1995, the Orleans Levee Board, the local government entity that oversees the levees and floodgates designed to protect New Orleans and the surrounding areas from rising waters, bragged in a supplement to the Times-Picayune newspaper about federal money received to protect the region from hurricanes.

"In the past four years, the Orleans Levee Board has built up its arsenal. The additional defenses are so critical that Levee Commissioners marched into Congress and brought back almost $60 million to help pay for protection," the pamphlet declared. "The most ambitious flood-fighting plan in generations was drafted. An unprecedented $140 million building campaign launched 41 projects."

The levee board promised Times-Picayune readers that the "few manageable gaps" in the walls protecting the city from Mother Nature's waters "will be sealed within four years (1999) completing our circle of protection."

But less than a year later, that same levee board was denied the authority to refinance its debts. Legislative Auditor Dan Kyle "repeatedly faulted the Levee Board for the way it awards contracts, spends money and ignores public bid laws," according to the Times-Picayune. The newspaper quoted Kyle as saying that the board was near bankruptcy and should not be allowed to refinance any bonds, or issue new ones, until it submitted an acceptable plan to achieve solvency.

Blocked from financing the local portion of the flood fighting efforts, the levee board was unable to spend the federal matching funds that had been designated for the project.

By 1998, Louisiana's state government had a $2 billion construction budget, but less than one tenth of one percent of that -- $1.98 million -- was dedicated to levee improvements in the New Orleans area. State appropriators were able to find $22 million that year to renovate a new home for the Louisiana Supreme Court and $35 million for one phase of an expansion to the New Orleans convention center.

The following year, the state legislature did appropriate $49.5 million for levee improvements, but the proposed spending had to be allocated by the State Bond Commission before the projects could receive financing. The commission placed the levee improvements in the "Priority 5" category, among the projects least likely to receive full or immediate funding.

The Orleans Levee Board was also forced to defer $3.7 million in capital improvement projects in its 2001 budget after residents of the area rejected a proposed tax increase to fund its expanding operations. Long term deferments to nearly 60 projects, based on the revenue shortfall, totaled $47 million worth of work, including projects to shore up the floodwalls.

No new state money had been allocated to the area's hurricane protection projects as of October of 2002, leaving the available 65 percent federal matching funds for such construction untouched.

"The problem is money is real tight in Baton Rouge right now," state Sen. Francis Heitmeier (D-Algiers) told the Times-Picayune. "We have to do with what we can get."

Louisiana Commissioner of Administration Mark Drennen told local officials that, if they reduced their requests for state funding in other, less critical areas, they would have a better chance of getting the requested funds for levee improvements. The newspaper reported that in 2000 and 2001, "the Bond Commission has approved or pledged millions of dollars for projects in Jefferson Parish, including construction of the Tournament Players Club golf course near Westwego, the relocation of Hickory Avenue in Jefferson (Parish) and historic district development in Westwego."

There is no record of such discretionary funding requests being reduced or withdrawn, but in October of 2003, nearby St. Charles Parish did receive a federal grant for $475,000 to build bike paths on top of its levees.

Earlier this year, the levee board did complete a $2.5 million restoration project. After months of delays, officials rolled away fencing to reveal the restored 1962 Mardi Gras fountain in a four-acre park featuring a new 600-foot plaza between famous Lakeshore Drive and the sea wall.

Financing for the renovation came from a property tax passed by New Orleans voters in 1983. The tax, which generates more than $6 million each year for the levee board, is dedicated to capital projects. Levee board officials defended more than $600,000 in cost overruns for the Mardi Gras fountain project, according to the Times-Picayune, "citing their responsibility to maintain the vast green space they have jurisdiction over along the lakefront."

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So, IMO the state officials are mainly to blame for this, their inability to react and do the right thing locally surely hurt them and led to perhaps a good number of avoidable deaths. BUT, Bush's administration is not innocent in all of this. As commander he should have stepped in immediately when the State's officials did not do the right thing for their citizens.

What happened at the dome in a national disgrace. Oh wait a minute, no buses available? No safe paths to the dome? Sickening. It's truly sickening when a country as thriving as the United States jumps to the aid of others in a blink of an eye, yet takes a very long slumber before helping it's own.



Oh, and here's a photo of "some" of the "un-available" buses that were held locally.


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If Hurricane Katrina has showed us anything at all, it has shown us just how very vulnerable we are.


Everyone should have a "what if" plan and be prepared to see it through. Everyone.

I hope none of you lost anyone in this tragety. I live in Florida and had the eye right atop us during Katrina and it was very scarey. All of my siblings and my Uncle who live here locally were without power for almost a week. MY parents and I did all we could to make sure that they were ok, that their children were fed and slept in a dry bed in a safe place. We did what we could for them and pulled together as a family.


I manage a large rental property in our city and have several of my residents who are still looking for relatives and/or friends.

A girl I used to work with is also MIA still to this day, she was in the French Quarter doing a revue. I can only hope that all of these people, their families and their friends will get through this as best as possible.

I am very much looking forward to the end of Bush's term, and I can only hope that the next person to fill that position will do a better job all around.
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Postby Augomatic » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:49 am

"As far as Michael Moore goes, if he wants to impress me and really make a difference; he could surrender 100% of the profits from "Bowling for Columbine" to the effected families.

He could also take 100% of his Fahrenheit 911 profits and do the same. "

This is something I don't get.

Why should Michael Moore surrender all the profits from the documentaries he's made? His job is a "documentary film maker". As such, whether you agree with him or not, he's well at it. In compensation, he's been well paid.

It isn't as if the profits CAME from Columbine. They came from people who went out, and wanted to watch the documentary, and paid for it. Many of the people came away with more information on an issue that should be known about, whether you agree with his opinion or not. He certainly is more deserving of the money he has made than some other entertainers out there.

And what if the profits did go to the "victims of Columbine"? If my memory serves me correctly, Columbine was an affluent suburban neighbourhood. Its not as if these people are starving on the streets. While they have certainly suffered and grieved, money isn't their problem.

Also, its not as if Michael Moore is critisizing the people he targets in his films for not privately donating enough money. In both cases, he is generally critisizing the administration for using public offices and tax payer money to personally profit. What does that have to do with him pursuing a private enterprise that makes a profit?

Finally, there is the arguement that he made this money off the backs of those who suffered. I don't think this is the case. Most major news networks make quite a bit of money reporting on disasters. They do it to the mutual benefit of themselves, and the public, who gain information from the reporting. Whether or not you agree with Michael Moore, he provides an alternative viewpoint to many issues. At times, I think some of the things he is saying are exagerated, but simply listening to his arguements gives me another viewpoint. And for this viewpoint, in a capatilist society, he gets rewarded financially.

While I agree the more he donates to these causes, the better, but it shouldn't be EXPECTED of him, no more than I'd expect an ambulance driver to donate all his pay to people he drives to the hospital who can't afford medical treatment, or a teacher who steps up and spends all their money on school supplies when their budget is cut.

Would I respect people who did that? Yes, but it shouldn't be expected of them.

Perhaps when pharmaceutical companies donate all their profits to patients, instead of stockholders, and G.W. Bush donates more to charity than he spends on his own campaign, then I'll expect Michael Moore to work for free and donate everything he owns.
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Postby Winke » Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:46 pm

I agree that Michael Moore provides an alternative point of view. However, if you believe that his films are intended to validate his point of view I have a bridge I can sell you. Michael Moore lies and exagerates while feeding on peoples insecurities and volunerability to suggestion.

An ambulance driver makes 10/hr while saving lives

A teacher makes 15/hr educating our children

Michael Moore makes Millions by contributing bullshit to society, he would improve his image if at least he gavce something back to society unlike an ambulance driver or a teacher.

Pharmaceuticals return a large part of their profits to R&D so we can have (and we do) the best quality and most innovative drugs in the world. As far as their shareholders are concerned financial, IT, real estate, oil, retail, healthcare have recently returned far better than the Pharmaceiticals. If you would have said that Pharmaceuticals need to spend less on marketing and give back to the customer/patient I would have agreed with you.

Rhiandras logic seems far better informed than your Analogies Augomatic, sorry bro.

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Postby Hall » Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:49 pm

Micheal Moore contributes just about as much as any American Media does, Jack and shit.

Micheal Moore is the Democratic version of

FOX NEWS!!

Oh I went there!

Both spin the bull shit we hear it 1st!
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Postby Phineas » Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:55 pm

Michael Moore's tactics are no different than those of the people he purports to expose. He makes "documentaries" that are at times just as one-sided and illogical as any propaganda he seeks to discount from the other side's view.

In the end, Michael Moore and Catherine Coulter are interchangeable. They're both batshit crazy and blinded by their own prejudices. She just happens to look better in a skirt.

Anyone that has a radically partisan viewpoint is a moron. Both sides have good and bad ideas. Choosing to discount an opposing viewpoint simply because there's a donkey or an elephant on the cover of the book doesn't make you a pundit, it makes you livestock.

Nothing. And I mean NOTHING annoys me more about politics than people who listen to Michael Moore or Rush Limbaugh and then parrot the opinions of their chosen moron.

Make up your own mind. Read news, not other people's opinions. And more importantly, learn to tell the difference between the two.

Michael Moore has an agenda. The right has an agenda. Anything either of them say is propaganda and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Share your own opinions and stop quoting letters from greasy fat-ass Michael Moore as though they contain facts. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. And the truth shall set you free.
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Postby Rhiandra Rangnar » Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:21 pm

Augomatic wrote:"As far as Michael Moore goes, if he wants to impress me and really make a difference; he could surrender 100% of the profits from "Bowling for Columbine" to the effected families.

He could also take 100% of his Fahrenheit 911 profits and do the same. "

This is something I don't get.

Why should Michael Moore surrender all the profits from the documentaries he's made? His job is a "documentary film maker". As such, whether you agree with him or not, he's well at it. In compensation, he's been well paid.



Im not saying he doesnt deserve to be paid for his time. Why cant he assign himself a "salary" and the remaining monies go to the families? I mean come on now, those kids in Columbine, for the most part, will require medical attention probably for the rest of their lives. What about the plans they had for their own futures to be self reliant and a "normal" part of society? Now their families, social security and Im sure local charities will be stepping in. [as they should, not arguing that]

And Fahrenheit 911 continues to make money today. Shouldnt the families effected gain something from that? Im sure a good portion of the survivors are now single parents with children who they would probably like to see go to college.

Listen, my point is this:

If Michael Moore truly wanted his "films" and his point of view to be seen as anything other than what the bottom line is [making money] he would make a huge impact by contributing the millions of dollars above and beyond the cost [which cant be much at all] it took to make the film. [including the salaries of those involved and Micheal Moore's salary as well.]

Imagine the impact these types of actions would have for him. Think he would be taken more seriously? I do.

Im not asking you or anyone to agree with me, this is just my opinion.
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Postby Hall » Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:32 pm

I love Phin.

Your so right, Problem is all the right wing or most of them at least are crotch pheasents quick to go "You liberal Unamerican, etc etc" It makes the conservatives who arent actual sheep look bad.

Oh well such is life the loudest asshole makes the rest look bad.
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Postby Mourningblade » Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:59 pm

Nothing. And I mean NOTHING annoys me more about politics than people who listen to Michael Moore or Rush Limbaugh and then parrot the opinions of their chosen moron.

Make up your own mind. Read news, not other people's opinions. And more importantly, learn to tell the difference between the two.

Michael Moore has an agenda. The right has an agenda. Anything either of them say is propaganda and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Share your own opinions and stop quoting letters from greasy fat-ass Michael Moore as though they contain facts. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. And the truth shall set you free.


amen brother!


The thing that worries me is that an awful lot of people are so desperate to be rid of bush that they will "settle" for any Tom, Dick, or Hillary that comes along.
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Postby Beratuul » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:07 pm

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Postby Danny » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:55 pm

Fist off the mayor of NO is a pice of shit. While i may be quite vulgar on these boards i would never talk the way he does in his interviews. Completly unprofessional. If you didn't know that guys was completly at least in my opinion unqualified for that job. He got elected for reasons i wont go into.

Again a little lesson in our nations government. There are two sovereign governments in this situation. The state of La. and the Fed Gov. The feds cant do jack shit nor do they want to without a request from the state. The Fed Gov has a pretty shitty track record when they dip into the affairs of the states. Remember Ruby Ridge and Waco. Any time the feds get involved shit gets fucked up. But then again I"m sure you could twist something around and blame it on Bush.

Do i think that the profets from Michal Moore's movies should go to people other then michal moore. Hell no. he should keep all the profets. I think that people just shouldn't buy his shit. That would shut him the fuck up.

Is the right wing right all the time hell no but they look at things with logic and reason. left wingers look at things with emotions. Oh those poor people we have to help them. Fuck those people. Go talk to a homeless person once. I make it a pont to talk to people like this. For example i recently went on a trip to London (pre bombing) and spoke with a few homeless people. One was named Kevin i asked Kevin if he had a job. He said no but he had jobs in the past. I then asked him is he unemployed by choice or cant he find a job. He said i could find a job if i wanted one. But i don't. I like this life i don't have to answer to anyone i don't have any bills to pay i go where i feel like. Later i found out Kevin had a heroin habit. So fuck these people. It sounds heartless but there will always be dregs of society so don't have pity for them.

I have sympathy for those who evacuated and came back to their homees and belongings distroyed. I truely have little sympathy for the people that stayed in La. and are stuck there now or had to be evacuated by the USCG after the storm. They knew the storm was coming they could have gone somewhere ANYWHERE. They said we don 't have a car. Well walk you lazy fuck. I bet if i started walking right now in a week i could be damn near in south Illinois (i live in milwaukee WI). OH and who makes a city BELOW FUCKING SEA LEVEL. If you live there expect shit like this to happen. If you don't like it MOVE. If you don't have the money too fuckin bad that is your problem. Go get some money from the government for school (anyone can get it don't matter who you are) get a college education and get a fuckin job. Don't bitch to me that you can't get a education cuz you can.

And not all conservatives are religious. I for one don't practice any religion although I am a reverend (Universal Life Church, ulc.com, kinda a joke and sometimes it is fun introducing yourself as a reverend HAHA) for shits and giggles. And i also hate these religious Zealots that advocate assassinating elected officials of other nations. Assassination is great but don't publicly advocate assassinating any one individual just let the CIA do their thing.

And my last point in this. The Iraq war could be over right now if the American people weren't a bunch of pussies. Wars like this one take extreme measures to win. Perhaps the line In SWORDFISH sums it up, "If terrorists blow up a school, we will tactically NUKE an entire village." All these extremeists understand is death and violence. Osama said it himself Americans Love Life and Muslims Love Death. Well give them what they love, death. We need to start really fuckin peoples shit up over there. Here is what i say. If we find anyone in an Iraqi village with contraband (IED's and shit like that) then guess what we blow up their house the house of their friends and their friends. If we catch someone who is a co-conspiritor involved in a bombing beat the info we need out of him and then shoot his ass in the head. Fuck the genevia convention cuz this is an unconventional war. These people don't follow that shit so why should we. THe first time there was a beheading video shown we should have beheaded 20 prisoners in Abu Grahb prison. The next video that was released we should have beheaded 40. And the next 80 and so on. I bet that would get their fuckin attention. Oh wait we are out of prisoners now. Well just go grab some from the nearest village. The only thing these extremeists will listen to is the barrel of a gun. These people do not think like you and I they don't listen to diplomacy they are so fanatical about their religion (and who wouldn't be with the 72 virgin thing, but damn what a work out) anyone who disagrees is an infidel and must be killed. I'm all for diplomacy however i'm sick of innocent people being killed in such brutal ways and then having their death shown on the internet. I want blood for blood.

I also as do many people have many friends who have come back from Iraq and are just appaulled by what they see on tv. My friend asked me once, don't they show all the schools and hospitals we built or all the people who came up and thanked us for what we did in Iraq (he was referring to Iraqies comin up to him while in Iraq) and for getting rid of Saddam.

I guess the movie 15 minutes said it best "If it bleeds it leads" don't show the good we do in Iraq just show the death.

And watch out Iran You fucks are next. The whole middle east for that matter needs to be put on alert that the biggest fuckin dog in the yard the USA is pissed and we can turn your entire praise to alla region into a sheet of glass if you don't do what the UN says. But then again they are a bunch of ask nicely pussies who rely on us to do all the dirty work.

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Postby Phineas » Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:05 am

Beratuul wrote:Guliani for President !


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Postby Hall » Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:27 am

Danny wrote:Fist off the mayor of NO is a pice of shit. While i may be quite vulgar on these boards i would never talk the way he does in his interviews. Completly unprofessional. If you didn't know that guys was completly at least in my opinion unqualified for that job. He got elected for reasons i wont go into.

Again a little lesson in our nations government. There are two sovereign governments in this situation. The state of La. and the Fed Gov. The feds cant do jack shit nor do they want to without a request from the state. The Fed Gov has a pretty shitty track record when they dip into the affairs of the states. Remember Ruby Ridge and Waco. Any time the feds get involved shit gets fucked up. But then again I"m sure you could twist something around and blame it on Bush.

Do i think that the profets from Michal Moore's movies should go to people other then michal moore. Hell no. he should keep all the profets. I think that people just shouldn't buy his shit. That would shut him the fuck up.

Is the right wing right all the time hell no but they look at things with logic and reason. left wingers look at things with emotions. Oh those poor people we have to help them. Fuck those people. Go talk to a homeless person once. I make it a pont to talk to people like this. For example i recently went on a trip to London (pre bombing) and spoke with a few homeless people. One was named Kevin i asked Kevin if he had a job. He said no but he had jobs in the past. I then asked him is he unemployed by choice or cant he find a job. He said i could find a job if i wanted one. But i don't. I like this life i don't have to answer to anyone i don't have any bills to pay i go where i feel like. Later i found out Kevin had a heroin habit. So fuck these people. It sounds heartless but there will always be dregs of society so don't have pity for them.

I have sympathy for those who evacuated and came back to their homees and belongings distroyed. I truely have little sympathy for the people that stayed in La. and are stuck there now or had to be evacuated by the USCG after the storm. They knew the storm was coming they could have gone somewhere ANYWHERE. They said we don 't have a car. Well walk you lazy fuck. I bet if i started walking right now in a week i could be damn near in south Illinois (i live in milwaukee WI). OH and who makes a city BELOW FUCKING SEA LEVEL. If you live there expect shit like this to happen. If you don't like it MOVE. If you don't have the money too fuckin bad that is your problem. Go get some money from the government for school (anyone can get it don't matter who you are) get a college education and get a fuckin job. Don't bitch to me that you can't get a education cuz you can.

And not all conservatives are religious. I for one don't practice any religion although I am a reverend (Universal Life Church, ulc.com, kinda a joke and sometimes it is fun introducing yourself as a reverend HAHA) for shits and giggles. And i also hate these religious Zealots that advocate assassinating elected officials of other nations. Assassination is great but don't publicly advocate assassinating any one individual just let the CIA do their thing.

And my last point in this. The Iraq war could be over right now if the American people weren't a bunch of pussies. Wars like this one take extreme measures to win. Perhaps the line In SWORDFISH sums it up, "If terrorists blow up a school, we will tactically NUKE an entire village." All these extremeists understand is death and violence. Osama said it himself Americans Love Life and Muslims Love Death. Well give them what they love, death. We need to start really fuckin peoples shit up over there. Here is what i say. If we find anyone in an Iraqi village with contraband (IED's and shit like that) then guess what we blow up their house the house of their friends and their friends. If we catch someone who is a co-conspiritor involved in a bombing beat the info we need out of him and then shoot his ass in the head. Fuck the genevia convention cuz this is an unconventional war. These people don't follow that shit so why should we. THe first time there was a beheading video shown we should have beheaded 20 prisoners in Abu Grahb prison. The next video that was released we should have beheaded 40. And the next 80 and so on. I bet that would get their fuckin attention. Oh wait we are out of prisoners now. Well just go grab some from the nearest village. The only thing these extremeists will listen to is the barrel of a gun. These people do not think like you and I they don't listen to diplomacy they are so fanatical about their religion (and who wouldn't be with the 72 virgin thing, but damn what a work out) anyone who disagrees is an infidel and must be killed. I'm all for diplomacy however i'm sick of innocent people being killed in such brutal ways and then having their death shown on the internet. I want blood for blood.

I also as do many people have many friends who have come back from Iraq and are just appaulled by what they see on tv. My friend asked me once, don't they show all the schools and hospitals we built or all the people who came up and thanked us for what we did in Iraq (he was referring to Iraqies comin up to him while in Iraq) and for getting rid of Saddam.

I guess the movie 15 minutes said it best "If it bleeds it leads" don't show the good we do in Iraq just show the death.

And watch out Iran You fucks are next. The whole middle east for that matter needs to be put on alert that the biggest fuckin dog in the yard the USA is pissed and we can turn your entire praise to alla region into a sheet of glass if you don't do what the UN says. But then again they are a bunch of ask nicely pussies who rely on us to do all the dirty work.

Oil? Who said anything about Oil, bitch u cookin? HAHA that was funny tho.


I can sum up the entire post by saying AMERICA FUCK YEA!

Bet you would never call a Republican a pile of shit, because they are "Always right" Fact is that man like him or not kept it real, I saw him on TV and heard what he said and was like, I could vote for a guy like that who is not phoney. But I guess in politics you have to be fake. oh well

man please, you sound like the typical lets blow it all up. Its funny you should mention the war my boy came back and it was the complete opposite, he is to the point he doesnt even want to talk about it pisses him off.

you talk about emotion, Reps go by emotion all the time its called JESUS, GOD SHALL PUNISH THE WICKED because we are AMERICAN.

oh well im done I will always hate politics for shit like this and the media whether its liberal or conservative. Its no longer about the people its about making money.

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Postby Danny » Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:55 am

Bet you would never call a Republican a pile of shit, because they are "Always right" Fact is that man like him or not kept it real, I saw him on TV and heard what he said and was like, I could vote for a guy like that who is not phoney. But I guess in politics you have to be fake. oh well


I'm assuming you are talking about Robertson. Umm if you didn't know its a crime to publicly call for the assassination of elected oficals of other nations. Its not a question of being "real" or "phoney" its a question of international law. So yes ROBERTSON IS A PILE OF SHIT.

If i misunderstood you post i'm sorry i'm very very tired and the brain ain't worken right.

And the Jesus this and jesus that stuff isn't really emotion. They may get emotional about it but they are stating their beliefs. Beliefs and emotions are two different things. At least imo and in the opinion of psycologists.

"It is not that our emotions are completely independent of our beliefs," notes Zanna. "But neither are they the same. We need to take both into account if we want to fully understand prejudice." This is off a website for the University of Waterloo Psyc. Department.

And as i stated b4 i'm not religious nor do i support the republican party for their religious standing. I don't give a shit but they and i agree on more things then the democrats and i. I actually classify myself as a moderate but a realist.

Personally I would like to see Pat Buchannon in office. He called for the impeachment of President Bush for failing to protect our country from the invasion of ILLEGAL Mexicans. And the Fed Gov should be putting a stop to it because both New Mexico and Arizona have appealed to the feds for help. Therefore they Feds should step in there. But of course we don't hear much about that cuz that may be considers racist and mean and this is a kinder gentler world we live in, awwww just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

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Postby Zoidmeister » Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:57 am

Only valid point was Bush didn't return until 3rd day from his vacation, otherwise Moore's documentaries while there is the odd truthful point are generally riddled with B.S. and drama.

Now onto some radical thoughts...

Onto Iraq ... IMHO Iraq is the beginning of WWIII which is not a 3 hour nukefest but a long drawn out resource war. 9/11 was the perfect event to justify it .. WMD pretext side benefits cleanup a terrorist producing nation, send a message to other rogue nations in the region, and setup another pseudo-U.S. democracy based on dollar backed economy (just look at central America (El Salvador). The country that secures control of the middle east wins the oil war plain and simple (Saudi,Iraq,Kuwait,Iran - largest oil fields in the world). U.S. economy is being propped up right now by foreign bought treasuries and oil sold in USD (petrodollar, thanks to Kissinger's work in the 70's). If either of those begin eroding get ready for a depression as the dollar weakens relative to other currencies and costs of foreign goods go through the roof aka hyperinflation; for a comical look at Fiat Money Inflation in France during the 1790's read this free book by a famous U.S. economist: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/6949).

Onto my simple view of globalisation ... Good production and export indicates the true underlying wealth of a nation. U.S. is now only 19% industry based and 81% services based economy; recipe for disaster. Real good production and export = real wealth. Good production shifting eastward eventually means a gain in standard of living for the east and a lowering of that standard in the west. Foreigners buying T-BILLs/investing in U.S. dollar has artificially postponed our awakening to reality as we continue to spend/borrow foreign money to continue our standard of living.

So some of us may not like neo-con foreign policy it's actually working at this point to artificially extend our lifestyles :P

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Postby Danny » Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:08 am

Wow Zoid very interesting radical thoughts. You sound like me irl when i HAVN'T been up for more then 48 hours (going on 52 for the second time in a week and a half. But i hate economics so i don't really talk about them much cept with my bro cuz he is econ genius (he's a stock and futures trader). And yes all i have to do is check forums.
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