Homeland defense? BWC needs to remove some guilds

Amit · Postby **Amit** » Fri May 23, 2003 2:16 pm

I think it is time to boot some of your guilds. When alb has one of our forts and mids are trying to retake it and not one level 50 from our alliance feels the need to help, its time to remove some guilds and replace them with guilds who are still hungry. I am talking it over with the GMs and Officers now. This is an rvr alliance. Period.

Amit · Postby **Amit** » Fri May 23, 2003 2:25 pm

Clan519 54k rps last week
CQ 75rps last week
Dominion 110krps last week
F 115k rps last week
Ting 40k rps last week

I know rps are not great measure of contribution, but it does show that you may want to take a close look at your guild and figure out whats wrong. We cant all be like the uber:

Freisa Chimaera (50th lvl Norseman Savage) [IDE50] 226,769

Who totally kicked ass this week, but I don't think any guild of 20 active players should have under 200k a week, think about it, thats only 10k a week per person and many people do that in an hour of play a week.

Bloodfeather · Postby **Bloodfeather** » Fri May 23, 2003 3:40 pm

I don't know how good my math is but here goes. It should be fairly easy to look at other guilds and say, hey, they're not doing too great, but lets take a look at bloodwinter clan. They have 57 level 50's with under 10k a week. that's not bad but if you consider the fact that they have over 2 million rp this week it kinda makes you wonder what the others are doing. Well, of those under 10k a week, 34 or so have 0 rp for the week. /shrug guess they're crafters? again, look at the others. 6 ppl in bwc account for roughly 30% of the guilds rp. 6 ppl in a guild of almost 100. that's pretty impressive guys.

I'm not going to make excuses for my guild. I don't feel I should have to, but i will say something about my own experiences. I've left RvR on a few occassions, (once due to a badly fucked up attempt on Ren with some really bad luck on a lvl 10 Ren), and other times just out of pure frustration at being a healer in a group of ppl that get into the battle dead last and the 40+ alb menace is reduced to 2 stragglers that were flushed back our way. I don't RP whore in emain. if that's all you guys want then maybe i should STOP telling my guild to go help claim keeps in alb and go rp whore in emain. I know ug said that's not all a guild is measured for, but i kind of resent being put up on that list when i see, Dominion has taken control of Caer Benowyc, etc, more than 80% of the guilds in the alliance.

In closing, i'd like to say that yes, I do very much enjoy the alliance and the people in it (for the most part), I don't really see us getting more than 200k rp a week very often considering we have less than 30 ppl in the guild and only 13 lvl 50's. 4 of which are alts. I do however understand that you gotta do what you gotta do. Let me know what's decided.

Good hunting all.

Amit · Postby **Amit** » Fri May 23, 2003 4:14 pm

Ok to be fair I will post Bloodwinter's Stats:

40,003,135 rps total (highest in the alliance)

2,091,470 rps this week (#2 on the entire server)

20,505 avg rps earned per character (2x what I posted I expected from rest of alliance)

987,000 rps earned by the top ten BWC

1,001,000 rps earned by people out of the top ten

21 people not in top 10 earning 20-60k rps per week, once again 2x to 6x the avg expectation of 10k per week per char

2-3 players willing and able to lead the realm in any sort of organization which is 2-3 more than any other guild in mid other than Myth.

Postby **Twystyd** » Fri May 23, 2003 4:44 pm

Hehe, yea that was a ridiculous argument Bloodfeather.

IMO leveling 60 to0ns, taking 5 relics and scoring 38.5 million RP's in 6 months is not bad. We may also throw in we are 4 days into another game we are more competitive in then any "major MMORPG" besides The Cabal on our server and have members taking a break after running Andred and Merlin for years.

We have the ability and true freedom to do whatever we want. When the Guardians were throwing up Godlike numbers and all of Merlin was spamming the VN crying instead of kicking their asses it was BWC that set up trebs and blocked them from EVEN ENTERING Emain. The flames swiftly switched to BWC is unfair. One of the few times TG knew they were completely 0wnd. When we get a PvP hair up our ass and want top spot on the server we do it with style turning entire realms blue for Midgard, not camping fricken gates.

We have no trouble facing off against other realms and need others that have the same mentality. Let's remember it is ok to be different types of guilds but we are looking for certain types to help us in the alliance.

Seventhfool · Postby **Seventhfool** » Fri May 23, 2003 4:50 pm

Are we now mesuring guild`s after RP`s ? ..hmmm.... before we got fed up with all the whineing on us we made most rp on midgard and where over 3.000.000 a long time. The last 2 days BWC beat us casue of pepole having irl stuff to take care of, but before that ..we had nr 1 spot on midgard and 2 nd spot on server for a long time...does that mean we are uber ? ....no i dont think so, it just means we rvr more than others. We are in emain, we are in relics defense, we help out in our frontier and we help out in albion...not all the time ...but when we feel it is needed we come and do our job.

I do not think you can measure a guild ONLY on the rp`s they make, there are other things to think about. Some like to retake keep. taking keeps or to do relic raids... these are things that are just as important as making a lot of rp/week.

Pepole are diffrent and so are guild`s and in an alliance there has to be room for all or you will have a weak alliance i think. Some might craft for alliance members but not make tons of rp`s , then again how well do we kill if we got shitty weapons and armors.

In conclusion, do not judge a guild on rp`s only, there can be other things that are just as important. Well heck they might even be reforming their guilds or maybe lost some important players, who knows.

Regards

Postby **Twystyd** » Fri May 23, 2003 5:02 pm

Are we now mesuring guild`s after RP`s ? ..hmmm.... before we got fed up with all the whineing on us we made most rp on midgard and where over 3.000.000 a long time.

No measuring RP potential against BWC would be fo0lish, everyone knows this. LV has been kicking ass and has given the alliance a much needed presence but let's not get a head of ourselves. The only reason we are not on top has been PS beta and launch.

As to the rest of Sevenths statements...I agree and we are looking at several things.

Bulor · Postby **Bulor** » Fri May 23, 2003 5:14 pm

i think what bwc is tyring to say, looking for the activeness of the guild within our allieance planed events.. like RRs and such.. also we as an alliance are trying to avoid emain, trying to help our realm for the greater good pounding albs, instead of farming rp in emain.. after all.. albs have the relics.

Seventhfool · Postby **Seventhfool** » Fri May 23, 2003 5:25 pm

Well if that is the case, we arent gonna be able to join that much since we have A LOT of euro players. We try and join when we can, even tho we get called "emain whore" amongst others things. But pepole forget when we take keeps, take back keeps, block at RR`s , are in RR defense or donate money to doors a RK or in alb/hib land. So are LV 1 of the guilds that shouldnt be in the BWC alliance ?

What im trying to say is that all the bs that often are in /cg or even in /as (not often) isnt always the facts and as i pointed out in my previouse statement, there are times when pepole makes a diffrense. But it does not always show, but you know that they did it.

Postby **Twystyd** » Fri May 23, 2003 5:42 pm

LOL, Seventh what's up bro? BWC and LV have always gotten along IMO and I have stated on many occasions how well you have been doing. (even today I posted this before this thread)-

Guys thanks for picking up the slack while we start the PS outfit. Trying to stay on top of two games for any guild is fucking tough but were having a blast doing it. You guys r0k and can game with us anytime and have major respect from BWC. We need a few more weeks to set up PS then the relics come back home.

We did not bring up Legio at all and are fully aware you are 80% Euro's. There is nothing being said against LV but feel free to leave if you do not like the way the alliance is. When I spoke to you we both agreed the alliance has grown and lost some of it's orginazation with Super gone. Why are you trying to argue now that we are trying to repair the alliance. No one likes bo0ting members or guilds but it is something we have to look at.

I have no idea why the last week I have heard nothing but complaints against this alliance but it's fucking old. Well let everyone know what we decide soon.

Bloodfeather · Postby **Bloodfeather** » Fri May 23, 2003 5:51 pm

ok guys, i wasn't trying to start some sort of feud here. I'm just saying that I kinda resent being on that list. 50% or more of my guild is not lvl 50. Those that are don't rvr 24/7 but we do enjoy defending the realm and grouping with most of you wonderful ppl /smile. number wise, most of the guilds in the alliance have Dominion hands down. I fully bow to superior numbers and experience of BWC as far as RvR goes. Costco, Gun, Ug, I know you guys are all great leaders. I've learned a lot from Costco and Gun especially. My earlier post was not to slander BWC in any way and I'm sorry if it was enterpreted that way. Only to say that not everyone can get 10k rp an hour like you uber monkeys. I'm extremely lucky to get 10k in a day out there. that's not 2-3 hrs....thats 7-8 hrs of hardcore rvr. Albion whips my ass. And i can't spend 7-8 hrs every day out there. I have other guild business to attend to as well as making MP and 99% suits for you fellas out there protecting the realms. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear earlier and my meaning was misconstrued.

Seventhfool · Postby **Seventhfool** » Fri May 23, 2003 6:00 pm

That you have Law, but imo the alliance needs a firm hand, and it needs it soon. BWC is a great guild, and i also have nothing but respect for its leaders. But trying to run an alliance is a hard job, and splitting forces between 2 games is even harder.

What i wrote was "So are LV one of the guild`s that shouldnt be in the BWC alliance ? " That was meant as a question refering to the post by Bulor about being active in alliance events.

We have no intention of leaving the alliance, imo we can still own after the "nerf patch" and we in LV want to prove this. Hope we can get this alliance runing again and prove that we are superior to the Myth alliance.

Regards

Postby **Twystyd** » Fri May 23, 2003 6:02 pm

Thank you Seventh and Bloodfeather. We are trying ~

Seventhfool · Postby **Seventhfool** » Fri May 23, 2003 6:07 pm

I do not leave just because the ride gets a little tuff. Law you are tha man

...and super ....well get his ass back on mid/merlin

SuperHelix · Postby **SuperHelix** » Fri May 23, 2003 6:54 pm

I need one more week to get outfit secure in PS.. we are doing well.
Ill be on this weekend

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Homeland defense? BWC needs to remove some guilds

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