STOP Bitching...

[Phishbone]

Let me be the first to share my experience in this game with you guys from the guild I am leader of on Archimonde.

This game is either guild friendly or not. More so on the not side due to the lameness of trying to level in instaces with more then 5 people which gimps the hell out of your exp.

The 5 person grouping does sadly form cliques of people who have similar playtimes and or just always group together like they have in previous games. The best advice I can offer is don't take things personally if you aren't in one of them.

I am the guild leader of my guild and I personally level from 1-45 or so SOLO with my Paladin. Others were in instances doing the 5 man thing getting 2-3 levels to my 1 most nights. I hit 60 in /played 15 days 2 hours and only ran literally 6 times being grouped with my guildies. Mostly this was due to my work schedule and such.

My guild is having the same issue too when it comes to helping some lower levels out and or 60's needing help on something. People get going on these instances and honestly it's hard to pull them out sometimes and in my opinion wrong if they are halfway into it. I constantly see people begging in guild chat for help to go ignored in my guild. Once agian, it sucks to not play with your guildmates, but it won't kill you to group with people from other guilds especially if your goal is getting to 60 and getting exp rather then worrying about items.

I have met many cool people grouping now with non-guildies and such when I can't hook up with my own peeps.

Also, I have made a mandatory PvP for 40+ members in my guild which most are now to participate once a week. This builds some guild unity and keep everyone involved. Not to mention, once a week we go to the PvP arena area and have 5 on 5's against each other and such to get people familiar with their roles in group PvP and to learn their classes to the fullest. It's good times and most seem to be loving it.

I know how BWC rolls. I was guilded for a long time myself in DAoC and rolled a hunter to come play a little with Eirene on BH when I get free time to do so. But in the end you guys just need to realize you are NOT ALONE when it comes to this bullshit. The game wasn't designed for friendly guild functions when it comes to PvE and will only be worse when they cut the cap down to 10 or whatever they are doing.

The other problem I see is WAAAAAY to many Rogues. My guild is literally dying atm as we have like 3 priests, 2 druids who actually play fulltime and even they aren't around all the time. Most nights we have Paladins as main healers and that I am sure you guys know sucks the big one in those tougher instances.

Get it together. BWC owns and always will. Think friendships first and fun before personal gains and everything should be cool for everyone in the long run. That is what it's all about in the end anyway right?

[Bashtor]

I've been in and have run a few guilds myself MEX.
What you want is a great , but was mentioned earlier is we would force people to drop what they are doing and join whatever is commanded.
It is the only way really.

I like the freedom here - I join guild things when invited. I type ne one need help when i'm up to it. If I get a PUG to an instance I type or PM for open spots.
Mostly I play with PUGS when I'm on cause of my playtime.

But I would hate to run brd and some of the other instances on a command. I do help - sometimes like today I did a failed ZF and a full SM.

Some of us are just burned after running Strath or whtever 100 times.
So kinda have to be in the mood to do it again.

Even though My gear is not near done I am trying to break up what I do so I don't burnout before PVP starts.

When PVP starts I hope/think the guild will be more of what you are talking about. Most everyone should have the same focus to kill the Alliance.
Now unfortunately everyone is spread out on levels and amount of time they put in getting their gear done.

Like SUper said hang in there I am sure things will change or I would not be around myself.

[Liseyth]

You know, forget the instances.

Since this is a pvp guild so I keep hearing, why don't we go to an arena like phishbone and do 5 v 5s? I wouldn't mind if we got together and had a PvP night or something once a week. I just want to do something with more than 3 guild members at a time.

It's not so hard to plan something once a week.

[Sirion]

You know, I hear of guild brotherhood, and guess that I'm lucky that all my guildmates do everything together most of the time, but I guess that all has to do with how much you step up and are willing to do things you know other people need and are interested in doing. How many Scarlet Bastion runs have you offered to lead? I'm sure there are plenty of people in BWC that want righteous orbs, scarlet thread, devout gloves, beaststalker gloves, epic patterns off balnazzar, etc. etc. etc. How many Scholomance raids have you lead? Doing shitty bosses like Jandice so someone can finally get those Dreadmist shoulders, or the rare chance that someone can get a helm off Gandling after a 2 hour shit-fest of a horrible instance with, generally speaking, similarly horrible items? My guess is none.

The bottom line here is that Super and I have lead alot of your guildmates through UBRS several times already. How do you know that they all still need anything from there? There have been 10+ LBRS runs for documents and crap in the passed few weeks, only people JUST now hitting 60 shouldn't have them at this point. If you want the guild to be unified, then step up and offer to do what people WANT to do. Once you get some *good and efficent* raids going to places people want to go to, they might not be so hesitant to do places they don't want to. I mean, there is a difference in taking 2.5 hours to run UD Strath and taking ~ 1 hour-1 hour and 15 minutes to run UD Strath. And I really hate to say it, but that's the difference that is preventing some of your guildmates from raiding together on a regular basis. No one wants to feel like they have wasted their time, not that playing with guildmates is wasting time, but playing inefficently with anyone generally leaves people with a sour taste in their mouths and the question in the back of their minds, "If I was offered the chance to do that again, would I?"

[Liseyth]

Filth, if you want me to run these instances, take me on them.

I've never been to scholomance and I've been to scarlet strat once and that was two nights ago. It's very funny that you try to make your point based on the instances I'VE NEVER EVEN BEEN TO. Wanna know why? Cause I've run BRS and UD strat pretty much everyday since I hit 60.

I would absolutely LOVE to run scholomance or scarlet strat but unfortunately, those instances don't seem to be worthy of our guild's attention, nor really the public since I can't even seem to find a PUG for them.

[Sirion]

You know, the first times I ran those instances, I had never been there either. The point I was trying to make was, do you even ask your guildmates what they need, or do you assume they need something, and then try to coerce them into doing that, when you actually have no clue what they do and don't need.

Ask your guildmates what they want to run, and then run it. You can lead it, or someone else can step up and lead the raid and you can just organize it. I know several of your guildmates have been through both Scholomance and the Scarlet Bastion, and lets be perfectly honest here; if you can't find a Scholomance PUG, then quite frankly, you just aren't looking, because I get at least one random ass invite a day to Scholomance from randomplayer#2987234 and my guildmates always say when there is a PUG Scholomance raid because noone in our guild likes to run it, therefore we typically don't.

[Tingtong]

I read a few responses and got the basic whine here. Just to throw in my 2-cents in here...

Bwc for the most part is a pvp Orientated Guild. Helping people level and going on raids is always a privilege and not an obligation. While it is naturally gratifying to strive for personal achievements it is NOT what you are recruited for. While most guilds keep a strict requirement contingency
for 100% activity and participation we are somewhat lax.

If this seems to strike a chord with you, or you find yourself comparing your "friends" to other strangers then it may be time for you to move on.

In my book you are rated on a usefulness to the Guild. Being that BWC is naturally a pvp Guild, your usefulness is only redeemed in pvp. Some people are completely useless in this guild. But thats what separates us for other "leet" guilds. While we are the best at pvp we understand playtimes and friendships. We don't recruit characters we recruit players.

Right now your all WORTHLESS!!
But like a sleeping giant we will be vindicated when pvp is put into the game.

[Liseyth]

I will strive to live up to you Filth. Thanks for making me see the light.

I'll start to work on it on Sunday.

[Supreem]

I couldnt have said it better myself TT

[Zerrast]

I agree with filth, if you CANT find a pug for scholo or anything really... Your blind deaf and dumb. Hang around in org for 10 minutes and you will see at least 2 messages for pug. Stick in there. Things change And mexal if you want, i can show you how to run these raids... its just right now, im kinda burned out on running them.

[Hesk]

Mex, don't leave or get booted you gimp ;P. We still have to pharm Caretakers ....

If a PvE raid or some type of epic quest that needs individuals, I see members ask in Guild chat and people speak up (I hope) if they need certain aspects of an instance or quest.

I agree on PvP though. I'd like to see organized scheduled PvP raids ... BWC has always been PvP even when Law's gimp a$$ Thane started BWC, you could tell it was going to be a PvP oriented Guild. BWC scheduled pvp Raids in Mordred beta for DAoC, and that was just a beta ... PvP is a nice break from grinding/pharming items in instances and what not even once a week till Battlegrounds gets here and nice lil' practice to get associated with everyone for when BG's hit. I could almost guarantee if PvP raids were announced in advance their would be nearly or more so a better turn-out than for MC. Besides, from my understanding some bosses like Jaina Proudmoore and others drop some type of item (could be wrong) ... and we get to kill people as a unified clan /drool

[Ellessar]

I dont have much to say about this. I wont be partaking in anymore of the bs arguments in guild chat from this point on. I have a few problems with a few people in the guild but I'll keep those to myself. I'll still be doing daily raids if you want to come just message me. One last thing that kind of bugs me. I know we have an alliance with reso, I dunno what kind of relationship ya'll got with filth and reso etc, cuz I didnt really play with you guys much on merlin, and so filth doesnt feel like i'm attacking him, this goes for killets, you know i love you man, and phish as well. I dont understand why your commenting at all on our guild problems when you are not in our guild and dont really know what were talkin about. I'm just interested does reso have a message board? Can I have access to it? Since our dirty laundry is being aired to outsiders I would like to read some of theirs as well. lastly I wanna thank the guys who come out to raid consistently, I can honestly say guild participation has picked up in the last two weeks so keep it up.

[Keabit Guinness]

Lvl 11 Druid LFG for Scholowhateverthingydungeon.

[Phineas]

Argggh, more druids

[killets]

hey what you talking about. i have a level 6 rogue in BWC!!!!!!

tbh, i post here more b/c i have time at work and this is the best way to keep in touch with you guys

i'm not trying to be patronizing, but i am trying to offer at least imo, solid advice. i've been guilded with you guys for a while, so I know what happens every freakin server we go to. people whined about this on andred, whined about it on merlin, it's the same thing. even i got pissed about it at one point, especially back in the CoE days, when the cliques were so set that i pretty much never got to group with other cliques but my own.

it's easy being led, but when you have too few people wiling to take initiative, people start getting mad. and when it's not aired out publicly like it is now, you get a lot of people talking behind backs and stuff, so i think threads like this are healthy. it happens to every guild.

as for you wanting in on our guilds drama:

http://s9.invisionfree.com/Mediocrity
sign up an acct, and i'll see what i can do about getting you access
we have lots of drama right now, mostly with the people who hit 60 around xmas time being fucking bored and quitting.